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thebum · « **on:** January 10, 2010, 06:37:12 PM »

my main question is morich made in the usa or did they make the move with big b?also how about a list of all balls and bowling product brands made in the usa.

sevenpin63 · « **Reply #16 on:** January 11, 2010, 03:04:56 PM »

For what its worth, I have not bought a Brunswick ball since they moved to Mexico, and its to bad because I love my Ultamat Inferno, in fact its still in my bag and it says MADE IN THE USA.
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DON DRAPER · « **Reply #17 on:** January 11, 2010, 03:08:34 PM »

dan, i could care less where company "a" decides to locate their corporate offices or locate their production facilities. do you honestly think that the people in germany care that there is a mercedes-benz plant in the united states ? does the average beer drinker in this country who enjoys a corona care that it's made in mexico ?

since you seem to have all the answers dan let's hear your plan to save the bowling ball division of the brunswick corporation before it went out of business. i'm assuming you have a degree in economics, marketing, or business management and many years of experience in this field ? after we all see your plan i'd like to hear what robert lawrence, larry verble, and ric hamlin have to say about your solution.

thrownxs · « **Reply #18 on:** January 11, 2010, 03:20:13 PM »

Greg here is an interesting little chart concerning unemployment. I wonder how many more Americans will lose their jobs before we as Americans wake up.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_pMscxxELHEg/S0c1SpJEkNI/AAAAAAAAHMs/lPW1FP1zchE/s1600-h/EmploymentRecessionsDec.jpg

I think that is the point that some here are trying to make, but I maybe wrong.
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DON DRAPER · « **Reply #19 on:** January 11, 2010, 03:35:19 PM »

thrownxs, i'm sorry when people lose their jobs. it's a life changing event for many people. that being said, my wife and i chose to work for the state of missouri. as civil servants we receive less pay but greater health benefits and job security. we chose these jobs. anyone who has received a lay-off from their employment chose that job. my dad worked for the postal service for 30 years( ending in 1976 ). he chose security and stability over pay. he had friends that were paid more and were laid off. he felt sorry for them but also realized that they had made a choice to work there. and every choice has some kind of risk.

if the government of this country and the politicians who work for it are the ones responsible for the mess we are in then we will have to deal with it. and hope someone has a long term answer. right now there is a hole in the dam and at the moment it's too late to stop what's happened.

thrownxs · « **Reply #20 on:** January 11, 2010, 04:02:31 PM »

Agreed Greg but when more and more people lose their jobs, who is going to paying the taxes that keep the state in the red and provide government jobs? At some point there will have to be cuts made due to smaller budgets at all levels of government. I sincerely hope it doesn't come to that for anyone certainly including you and your wife. We as Americans do have a choice and we are going to have to be the ones that make the change. Hope that makes sense.
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thrownxs · « **Reply #21 on:** January 11, 2010, 04:49:13 PM »

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I go into manufacturing plants every day as part of my vocation. Big Three, Import, Heavy Equipment, Aerospace, Defense, just to name a few. I have seen the layoffs that continue even now. Caterpillar laid off 2000 people in five different plants this year. Guess what? Some of those parts are now being machined by a company in Canada employing for the most part Asians. You people truly don''''t get it. There is NO American industry. There is NO German industry. There is NO Japanese industry. There is NO Chinese industry. A GLOBAL economy and GLOBAL industry! Blame the banks and blame the stockholders. The shareholders and bankers are the ones that eliminate the businesses that manufacture the goods we want and use. Profits is king. But you really want to know who to blame? The American consumer, that''''s who. The consumer that demands the lowest price for EVERYTHING he or she wants. The consumer that really doesn''''t care that the factory down the street will close, their paycheck is smaller and they need to save money no matter what. But I''''m sure you''''re above that, right Dan?

Really, Dan? The guy losing his $24.00/hr job doesn''''t hurt the economy of the town he lives in? His immediate family? Because somebody in this country is willing to do his job for half, that''''s alright in your book? Tell you what, burn the Levis you''''re wearing, don''''t dare fly anywhere as every jetliner in the country has parts made and imported from other countries. Don''''t enjoy any mechanical device that has any metal parts in it as well as don''''t use a bowling ball with holes in it. Why? Cause they''''re all machined with carbide drills and cutting tool which contain Cobalt. The U.S. has NO Cobalt reserves! It all comes from Russia and China. Enjoying that salsa made from peppers and tomatoes from Mexico and Canada? Does your girlfriend or wife have a diamond ring? Where''''d the rock come from? Not here. So hide behind the flag all you want, that horse has left the barn and it ain''''t coming back as far as manufacturing go. Yeah, cute list about what''''s made here still. How many of you people are actually going to pay more money for those products? Spare me.

I love my new C System 2.5 just as much as the other nine Brunswick balls I own. I don''''t care where they''''re made, they get the job done and I feel they are the best due to longevity of the shells and their designs.

By the way, the reason the quality of foreign made stuff is so high now is because that most of the plants in Mexico and China and the rest of Asia are brand new using brand new CNC equipment. They don''''t use 40 year old transfer lines to manufacture parts like a lot of the few remaining big companies here do.

We are not talking diamonds, or carbide, or levis, or anything else you mentioned. We are talking about bowling balls and the last I knew most of the manufacturers are located in America and they do employ Americans. So you can not use those as examples since there is a choice.

Are you saying an American performing a job even in another state is not more beneficial to the American economy than someone in another country performing that job? There are Americans that would have liked to take those jobs that were moved overseas, even if the pay was a little lower than they would have liked it to be.

Your point about products made in America costing more seems to be flawed also. The last time I checked brunswick products have not gone down in price after the move, they are at the same price as most other brands. I just purchased a new Mutant Cell that was actually cheaper than brunswick product in the same performance range.

I have seen how you attempt ridicule others that don''''t agree with you and have been attacked by you before so I''''m sure that is coming. But your twisting the facts around to make them fit your purpose is BS.
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Monster Pike · « **Reply #22 on:** January 11, 2010, 05:40:16 PM »

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monster pike, there are several flaws in your reply.

first,you do have a choice when it comes to bowling bags and shoes. if you can''t find an item like this made in this country you have three choices:

1) have one custom made. norm duke has custom made bowling shoes if i''m not mistaken.

2) buy a product that''s made in a foreign country.

3) if you are a man of your convictions and you choose not to do either #1 or #2 then i guess you wouldn''t bowl.

secondly, storm doesn''t make a viz-a-ball. that is a patented trademark from brunswick. just because your storm ball says "made in the usa" doesn''t mean they''re all made here. most are now made in china and have been for some time. i believe ebonite still makes their maxim plastic ball in this country.

am i not here to tell anyone what to buy or not to buy. am i also not here to tell anyone what to buy in regards to where it''s made or who runs the company that make it, etc. i am here to say that i''m sick and tired of the whining and crying that''s going on ever since brunswick moved bowling ball production to mexico over three(3) years ago. a business decision was made to keep a 100 year old company afloat. if any of you armchair ceo''s had a better idea and plan perhaps you should have applied for a job at brunswick about 4-5 years ago...........

Okay, I''m not gonna quit bowling because I can''t find a made in USA bag or have it custom made. Choices yes, but not realistic, I give you more credit than that..... Call it what you want, but that''s not "a flaw in my argument" in my opinion. On top of that, I wasn''t arguing.... I was just saying when given a choice of bowling balls, A (made in the USA) or B (not made in the USA), I & some others have chosen to buy ball A. Not gonna apologize for it, but I can''t help that bothers a couple of you. Buying American when we can is a choice & that''s our right as American''s. At least for now... Freedom of choice... Take it for what it''s worth. Not trying to argue.....

2ndly, I didn''t say "Storm made that ball". I called it a "Storm Logo Viz-a-ball". I am aware Brunswick makes them. Didn''t think I had to Say Brunswick made Storm Logo Viz-a-ball. Thought the Viz-a-ball on the end would suffice. Regardless who makes it, it has a Storm Logo on it & has Viz-A-Ball on it & says "Made in The USA" on it. I also had a

after my comment. Thought you would have gotten that.
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DanH78 · « **Reply #23 on:** January 11, 2010, 06:29:14 PM »

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dan, i could care less where company "a" decides to locate their corporate offices or locate their production facilities. do you honestly think that the people in germany care that there is a mercedes-benz plant in the united states ? does the average beer drinker in this country who enjoys a corona care that it's made in mexico ?

since you seem to have all the answers dan let's hear your plan to save the bowling ball division of the brunswick corporation before it went out of business. i'm assuming you have a degree in economics, marketing, or business management and many years of experience in this field ? after we all see your plan i'd like to hear what robert lawrence, larry verble, and ric hamlin have to say about your solution.

First off, it's "couldn't care less"

Second, yes, as a matter of fact I DO have a degree in economics and business management.

Next, please show me where I said I had all the answers? You can't because I didn't say it. Have Brunswick forward all their facts and figures regarding their indoor recreation group and I will be happy to review them and submit a plan to Brunswick. Of course that won't do any good because they are gone.

I bet if all the Mercedes plants closed up shop and left Germany there would be a lot of Germans upset over the move. Anyone that doesn't care about manufacturing jobs leaving their country needs think twice.

If you don't care where a company is located and then good for you. Some of us do care and some of us prefer to put our money back into the US economy instead of sending it overseas. It isn't always an option, but when we have the option, we choose it.
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DON DRAPER · « **Reply #24 on:** January 11, 2010, 06:29:54 PM »

let's assume brunswick and morich balls were still being made in the usa. brunswick gets their polyurethanes from the bayer corp........a german company. i believe( correct me if i'm wrong ) ebonite international gets their polyurethanes from basf.......another german company. that means ebonite, hammer, columbia, and track balls all have at least part of their materials supplied by a foreign country. where does one draw the line with buying from the good old usa ?

DanH78 · « **Reply #25 on:** January 11, 2010, 06:39:12 PM »

quote:
I go into manufacturing plants every day as part of my vocation. Big Three, Import, Heavy Equipment, Aerospace, Defense, just to name a few. I have seen the layoffs that continue even now. Caterpillar laid off 2000 people in five different plants this year. Guess what? Some of those parts are now being machined by a company in Canada employing for the most part Asians. You people truly don't get it. There is NO American industry. There is NO German industry. There is NO Japanese industry. There is NO Chinese industry. A GLOBAL economy and GLOBAL industry! Blame the banks and blame the stockholders. The shareholders and bankers are the ones that eliminate the businesses that manufacture the goods we want and use. Profits is king. But you really want to know who to blame? The American consumer, that's who. The consumer that demands the lowest price for EVERYTHING he or she wants. The consumer that really doesn't care that the factory down the street will close, their paycheck is smaller and they need to save money no matter what. But I'm sure you're above that, right Dan?

Really, Dan? The guy losing his $24.00/hr job doesn't hurt the economy of the town he lives in? His immediate family? Because somebody in this country is willing to do his job for half, that's alright in your book? Tell you what, burn the Levis you're wearing, don't dare fly anywhere as every jetliner in the country has parts made and imported from other countries. Don't enjoy any mechanical device that has any metal parts in it as well as don't use a bowling ball with holes in it. Why? Cause they're all machined with carbide drills and cutting tool which contain Cobalt. The U.S. has NO Cobalt reserves! It all comes from Russia and China. Enjoying that salsa made from peppers and tomatoes from Mexico and Canada? Does your girlfriend or wife have a diamond ring? Where'd the rock come from? Not here. So hide behind the flag all you want, that horse has left the barn and it ain't coming back as far as manufacturing go. Yeah, cute list about what's made here still. How many of you people are actually going to pay more money for those products? Spare me.

I love my new C System 2.5 just as much as the other nine Brunswick balls I own. I don't care where they're made, they get the job done and I feel they are the best due to longevity of the shells and their designs.

By the way, the reason the quality of foreign made stuff is so high now is because that most of the plants in Mexico and China and the rest of Asia are brand new using brand new CNC equipment. They don't use 40 year old transfer lines to manufacture parts like a lot of the few remaining big companies here do.

I wish people on this board would learn to read. Please show me where I said a man making $24/hour losing his job wouldn't hurt the local economy or his immediate family. You can't because I DIDN'T say it. What's better, employed Americans or unemployed Americans? Brunswick didn't move to the southeast, or to Utah or any other part of the United States. They moved to Mexico. So it's a matter of an American having a job vs. NOT having a job. Would you rather make $12/hour or $0/hour?

What part of buying American WHEN that option is available do you people not understand? I highlighted the important word there that you guys seem to be missing.

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DON DRAPER · « **Reply #26 on:** January 11, 2010, 06:49:10 PM »

so dan, i'm suppossed to give up my $500 wenger watch that is made in switzerland to buy an inferior watch that is made in this country, just because it's made in the usa ? where is the logic in this ? if you can afford some of the better made items that are available to consumers what's wrong with buying them ?

DanH78 · « **Reply #27 on:** January 11, 2010, 07:18:14 PM »

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so dan, i'm suppossed to give up my $500 wenger watch that is made in switzerland to buy an inferior watch that is made in this country, just because it's made in the usa ? where is the logic in this ? if you can afford some of the better made items that are available to consumers what's wrong with buying them ?

Seriously, WHY DON'T PEOPLE READ?

In my first example, I said Company A, made in USA, Company B, Foreign. Comparable Price, Comparable Quality. Did I say sacrifice quality just because it's American? Nope.

Since we are talking bowling balls. I don't think an argument can be made when it comes to price and quality, at least among the major players (Brunswick, Storm, Ebonite, etc). All the companies have equipment that is within a few dollars, all the companies make high quality products. So in this instance, I'm choosing one of the American made companies.

I don't know all the watch brands made in the US. Is there one that is comparable in both Price AND Quality to your Wenger?
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scotts33 · « **Reply #28 on:** January 11, 2010, 07:19:57 PM »

JMO BUT if this wasn't about Big B Greg would NOT be responding any other company and he wouldn't feel the need to defend.

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Rileybowler · « **Reply #29 on:** January 11, 2010, 08:23:13 PM »

As far as jobs being lost in this country how about all the companies and corporations that hire illegal aliens, thats a whole lot more jobs than a bowling company moving to Mexico. The sad thing is our government knows about it and will not enforce the laws. Our President has said this is the next thing he is going to deal with well it seems to me illegal means just that lets enforce the laws and if they want to live here then do it the legal way
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DON DRAPER · « **Reply #30 on:** January 11, 2010, 08:23:58 PM »

scotts33, you wouldn't hear me complain if say, storm moved production to korea. nor would you hear me bash someone for buying a korean made ball.

dan, to answer your question. there are no watchmakers in this country than can match the quality of a swiss manufacturer like wenger. you've heard of the swiss army knife ? there are only two official makers of this knife in the world, wenger is one of them. they have a division that makes excellent timepieces. buying an american made watch would not be spending your money wisely. my mexican made brunswick c-system 2.5 is also a wise investment. it rolls and carries better than any american made brunswick ball i've had. it's rolling better and carrying better than the american made bowling balls that the other guys in my leagues are using. now, you're going to try and tell me and others how to spend our money ?

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