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made in the united states
« on: January 10, 2010, 06:37:12 PM »
my main question is morich made in the usa or did they make the move with big b?also how about a list of all balls and bowling product brands made in the usa.

 

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« Reply #31 on: January 11, 2010, 09:05:30 PM »
i guess this country( and website ) would be better off in the long run if brunswick had to close down the bowling ball division. that would show them !!!!

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« Reply #32 on: January 11, 2010, 09:06:21 PM »
To answer the first question I thought Morich made their cores and had Brunswick still cast the balls.

According to what I saw somewhere on Morichs website when asked on a forum pr whatever if they would ever pour their own bowling balls. Mo said Brunswicks covers and their relationship with BASF makes it tough to beat and would continue using Brunswick for the casting.

So I think the cores are made here and shipped there for the finishing product.

The only thing I've noticed since Brunswicks move was more color blems. I've still really enjoyed the finished product.


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« Reply #33 on: January 11, 2010, 09:09:22 PM »
to the best of my knowledge the polyurethanes used in both brunswick and morich bowling balls are provided by bayer.

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« Reply #34 on: January 11, 2010, 09:21:44 PM »
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scotts33, you wouldn't hear me complain if say, storm moved production to korea. nor would you hear me bash someone for buying a korean made ball.

dan, to answer your question. there are no watchmakers in this country than can match the quality of a swiss  manufacturer like wenger. you've heard of the swiss army knife ? there are only two official makers of this knife in the world, wenger is one of them. they have a division that makes excellent timepieces. buying an american made watch would not be spending your money wisely. my mexican made brunswick c-system 2.5 is also a wise investment. it rolls and carries better than any american made brunswick ball i've had. it's rolling better and carrying better than the american made bowling balls that the other guys in my leagues are using. now, you're going to try and tell me and others how to spend our money ?


Um, just...WOW!

I'm going to try ONE last time.

ABC Corp makes widgets.  They are headquartered in the USA.  100% of their production is performed in the USA.  1 widget costs $10.

XYZ Inc makes widgets.  They are headquartered in Mexico.  100% of their production is performed in Mexico.  1 widget costs $10.  

Quality is equal.

You are in need of widgets.  Which company would you buy from?


Are you high average in your league?  Do you win EVERY single pot in your league?  Do you HONESTLY want us to believe that Brunswick is of superior quality?  I am not arguing that Brunswick makes good stuff.  But so does Storm, Ebonite, 900, etc.  Also, all brands have equipment in similar price ranges, true?

And fine, you want to use results to determine quality?  

PBA Points leaders

Wes Malott- Roto Grip
Rhino Page - Storm
Chris Barnes - Columbia
Tom Smallwood - Independent, but won the World Championship using Columbia
Bill O'Neill - Hammer

Top 5 guys, not a Brunswick ball to be seen.

And FINALLY, please show me where I told others how to spend their money?  Once again, you CAN'T.  Do you just enjoy putting words in other peoples mouth's, or is that you only argument?  I said SOME OF US WHEN GIVEN A CHOICE BETWEEN TWO COMPARABLE PRODUCTS WILL BUY THE PRODUCT MADE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.  If you want to buy products made in Switzerland, Mexico, Thailand...where ever, that is YOUR choice.  But some of us choose to voice our displeasure with companies leaving the US with our wallets!
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Re: made in the united states
« Reply #35 on: January 11, 2010, 09:24:29 PM »
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i guess this country( and website ) would be better off in the long run if brunswick had to close down the bowling ball division. that would show them !!!!


Why is it that Storm, Ebonite, 900 Global (I'm not including all the other companies that subcontract production to the 3 I just mentioned, but they should be included) can produce bowling balls in the US for a profit, but Brunswick can't?
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« Reply #36 on: January 11, 2010, 09:51:09 PM »
dan, is it entirely possible that storm, ebonite, etc., are not part of a much larger corporation that produces many other items besides bowling balls ? you've by now noticed that i have mentioned brunswick's "bowling ball division". they have other divisions that make billiard tables, motor boats, boat engines, exercise equipment, etc. when the economy took a huge hit several years ago all of these divisions of brunswick took a huge loss......so much so that moving production to mexico was demanded by the corporation as a way to hold on. that's not a decision for you or me to make.

i don't get into high game pots, brackets, etc. that money is sitting in the parking lot.....a 2009 acura tsx......a car that has an unbelievable amount of technology, performance, and quality for $29k. far better than anything made in this country for the money.

at age 49 i'm beating guys half my age in league when it comes to high average, high game, and high series. in our association's city tournament i'm a multiple time champion in singles and doubles. every year i'm in the top three in these events plus all-events. i'm usually a finalist in our master's invitational tournament( 16+ games over two days ). i have rolled multiple 300 games and 800 series in leagues and local tournaments. i've rolled 700 series at pba regionals and cashed in them as well. all using brunswick equipment only. and you want me to buy another brand of equipment ? only if you can guarantee more of the same( which you can't ).

by the way, the 2010 brunswick ballmaster tournament recently held in finland saw the top two finishers use brunswick equipment. this is not a pba event but the roster was full of pba players and top international players. one reason you see so many roto/storm balls at pba events and on tv is that roto/storm is giving away more free equipment than anyone else.

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« Reply #37 on: January 11, 2010, 10:02:36 PM »
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dan, is it entirely possible that storm, ebonite, etc., are not part of a much larger corporation that produces many other items besides bowling balls ? you've by now noticed that i have mentioned brunswick's "bowling ball division". they have other divisions that make billiard tables, motor boats, boat engines, exercise equipment, etc. when the economy took a huge hit several years ago all of these divisions of brunswick took a huge loss......so much so that moving production to mexico was demanded by the corporation as a way to hold on. that's not a decision for you or me to make.

i don't get into high game pots, brackets, etc. that money is sitting in the parking lot.....a 2009 acura tsx......a car that has an unbelievable amount of technology, performance, and quality for $29k. far better than anything made in this country for the money.

at age 49 i'm beating guys half my age in league when it comes to high average, high game, and high series. in our association's city tournament i'm a multiple time champion in singles and doubles. every year i'm in the top three in these events plus all-events. i'm usually a finalist in our master's invitational tournament( 16+ games over two days ). i have rolled multiple 300 games and 800 series in leagues and local tournaments. i've rolled 700 series at pba regionals and cashed in them as well. all using brunswick equipment only. and you want me to buy another brand of equipment ? only if you can guarantee more of the same( which you can't ).

by the way, the 2010 brunswick ballmaster tournament recently held in finland saw the top two finishers use brunswick equipment. this is not a pba event but the roster was full of pba players and top international players. one reason you see so many roto/storm balls at pba events and on tv is that roto/storm is giving away more free equipment than anyone else.


Gregg...ANSWER THE QUESTION (Widgets)

Do you think that MAYBE, just maybe the reason why you finish among the top bowlers is because you have a higher skill/talent level than your opponents?  


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« Reply #38 on: January 11, 2010, 10:11:54 PM »
no, i don't think my skill level is higher. as i've stated on other threads on this website, i made myself a better player thru determination, will, and practice. i've shed more sweat, blood, and tears practicing bowling than you or anyone else on this website will ever know.my own wife doesn't fully realize the effort i've made. why have i tried so hard ? partly because i like bowling and want to improve. the rest is that years ago( late 1990's )i overheard other players talk about how i'd never get any better, can't play that line, he throws it too straight, etc. you be surprised what a motivational tool that can be. that, and i know the equipment in my bag is what got me here( and beyond ).

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« Reply #39 on: January 11, 2010, 10:15:52 PM »
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no, i don't think my skill level is higher. as i've stated on other threads on this website, i made myself a better player thru determination, will, and practice. i've shed more sweat, blood, and tears practicing bowling than you or anyone else on this website will ever know.my own wife doesn't fully realize the effort i've made. why have i tried so hard ? partly because i like bowling and want to improve. the rest is that years ago( late 1990's )i overheard other players talk about how i'd never get any better, can't play that line, he throws it too straight, etc. you be surprised what a motivational tool that can be. that, and i know the equipment in my bag is what got me here( and beyond ).


ANSWER THE QUESTION (Widgets)

Second Question...Are you beating others because you are throwing Brunswick or because you are throwing the ball better.
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« Reply #40 on: January 11, 2010, 10:23:37 PM »
it's entirely possible that the bulk buying of widgets may be decided on aspects other than price or where they are made. business deals have been made for centuries on lesser reasons.

i think brunswick equipment has made me better player. my abilities including angle of attack, axis rotation, speed control, rev rate, etc.,  are different......not necessarily better.

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« Reply #41 on: January 11, 2010, 10:26:51 PM »
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it's entirely possible that the bulk buying of widgets may be decided on aspects other than price or where they are made. business deals have been made for centuries on lesser reasons.

i think brunswick equipment has made me better player. my abilities including angle of attack, axis rotation, speed control, rev rate, etc.,  are different......not necessarily better.


Wow, you just can't commit to anything can you?

Price and Quality are the only two factors.  What do YOU choose?
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« Reply #42 on: January 11, 2010, 10:41:06 PM »
the only thing i'm required to commit to is the my marriage to my wife and certain obligations to my employer.

as i stated there have been, and will be, other reasons for the bulk buying of certain goods that are used in manufacturing.

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« Reply #43 on: January 11, 2010, 10:46:52 PM »
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the only thing i'm required to commit to is the my marriage to my wife and certain obligations to my employer.

as i stated there have been, and will be, other reasons for the bulk buying of certain goods that are used in manufacturing.


That is why it's called a hypothetical situation.

Where did I say manufacturing?  I said Widgets.  We can say Widgets are the end product.  Price and Quality are equal.  You are in the business of selling Widgets.  

The only variable is where the Widgets are made.  Are you going to purchase US Widgets or Mexican Widgets?
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« Reply #44 on: January 12, 2010, 11:23:51 AM »
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Whatever.  You're all of 25 and you're gonna tell me how all those other examples aren't apropo to this discussion.  Come back when you have some real world experience in how global economies work and how manufacturing within our borders fits in that framework.  You get "attacked" by me because you really don't know your azz from a hole in the ground.  Too many people like you on this forum, no experience, just an opinion.  Oh yeah, you're the Lane #1 Geek who defends and supports a bowling ball company that doesn't even MANUFACTURE anything in this country or others.  That makes you truly irrelevant to me.  My last post on the subject.  Please feel free to continue illuminating the path of righteousness for the others that are willing to be led by your shining example.




LOL Typical response from you criticize, duck, and deflect.

As far as Lane 1 goes there are none in my bag nor have they ever been in my bag, I have no reason to stick up for them at all. It's just another one of your baseless attacks.

Please tell me how you can compare carbide, diamonds,etc to bowling balls?
Like you stated no cobalt in America, probably very few diamonds also, those are a few items we really don't have a chioce in now do we. But bowling balls are one item we do have a choice.

By the way you did miss answering a question, while you were ducking and deflecting.
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Re: made in the united states
« Reply #45 on: January 12, 2010, 12:40:23 PM »
This is why I play golf....

Cause as we all know,  all golf clubs are made in the USA...

Well at least my Taylor's are......
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