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card79

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Making a run at a league title
« on: August 16, 2003, 08:58:03 PM »
Here is my situation.  I have been bowling two years now starting in on three.  I am about to start a second year in my mens league.  The same team has won the league championship there 6 years in a row.  After some revamping of my team and those of us that stayed getting better.  We are close to them average wise.  As, I talked to a few people though they said yeah you guys are going to have a good team, but you are just running for second.  Nobody can overcome what they have no matter how good you are.  Now these guys are older and have been together a long time I understand that, but what makes them special?  Do any of you run into this type of thing in your area?  Honestly I think it is bull.  They tie their shoes just like I do and while I am not good by anymeans I think I can beat anybody on any given night.  Going back through the standing sheets last year though it was like a lot of teams just crumbled against them.  Not even within a 100 pins of their team average.  

What does everyone think?
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Re: Making a run at a league title
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2003, 12:03:29 PM »
Unless the team is made up of sandbaggers, they can be beaten.
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Re: Making a run at a league title
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2003, 12:05:44 PM »

There can be an intimidation factor that enters into the picture...there are a surprising number of decent average bowlers that, for whatever reasons, do not perform well under pressure.    

Remain cautiously optimistic and bowl well

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Re: Making a run at a league title
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2003, 12:06:02 PM »
What it sounds like to me is that many of the teams in that league have allowed themselves to be intimidated. I have been in leagues like that. In a few of them I heard the same thing when my team came in, and we ended up winning the the championship. Funny thing, the one team we beat ended up quiting that league the following year. Do not give up just because everyone else has. Just because you team's average is close does not mean the other team is still better. The reason for handicap is to make the odds a little more even.

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SrKegler

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Re: Making a run at a league title
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2003, 12:10:56 PM »
I think the key words here is "older bowlers".  To me that means accuracy.  These guys don't make very many mistakes.  In other words, they don't beat themselves.  As Micehlle stated you have that intimadation factor.  Teams like this are very hard to beat.
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Re: Making a run at a league title
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2003, 08:16:23 AM »
The only thing i can see that this team may have an advantage with is that they've been together a while. They know how to bowl together which is really important in team chemistry. If one guy is down the others know how to pick him up b/c they've been together a while. OTher than that they have nothing that any other team in the league doesn't have. Good luck this season, and just work on your game, and give those guys a run for their money.
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matt smith

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Re: Making a run at a league title
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2003, 09:25:41 AM »
If anything being the underdog might work in our favour. With them as the best team everyone is going to do their all to try and de-throne them, let them have the attention i say, fly safely below the radar and you wont have the pressure against you that you would if you were the best team in the league.

As many have mentioned their team relationship would be very strong, and they would know everything about each persons games. I say when you go out to practice, practice as a team, watch each other closly, find each others weakness's, hell go out to a pub together, what ever it is, do it together and become a solid team. That will go along way to beating these guys.

Keep us informed how you go, and check back in the night that you have to play them and let us know! Other then that, good luck on the lanes, may the 10 pin fall your way and not theirs, and kick some butt.

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Re: Making a run at a league title
« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2003, 10:48:43 AM »
Yes the league is handicap it is 70 percent of 200.  I think we may suprise some people.  I hope.
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Re: Making a run at a league title
« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2003, 11:18:39 AM »
Always run into a STRONG TEAM like this .. they are tough to beat because they are CONFIDENT that they CAN WIN. When I run into this type of team I get my team to STRIVE to JUMP OUT IN FRONT .. by the 5th frame try to be LEADING THEM .. that takes the WIND OUT OF THEIR SAILS!
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Re: Making a run at a league title
« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2003, 03:39:42 PM »
It is based on individual.  They have had the highest team average in this league for quite a few years.  They have a team average of 958.  We will be sitting at 917.  I think we can take them because we none have been bowling too long we are all still getting better.  They are kind of where they are and not really getting too much better.  This is a pretty tough house to bowl in 16 teams in the league only 3 700 series bowled last year and high average was 208.  High average for the whole center was 218.
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Re: Making a run at a league title
« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2003, 09:17:31 PM »
There is something wrong with the HANDICAP calculations I've seen .. I don't understand .. please explain. CASE IS: 70% of 200; bowler 1 has a 180 average .. he gets (understanding) 14 handicap; bowler 2 has a 220 average .. he gets 0 handicap. To me the 220 bowler gets a -14 handicap. Where am I going wrong?
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Re: Making a run at a league title
« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2003, 08:27:23 AM »
Doesn't really matter now.  Just a few days before the start of the league the highest average bowler we had bailed.  He commited to bowl with us almost a year ago, but he said that was just keeping his options open so incase a better team didn't come along he would still have a team.  Oh well.  The guy that I think we are going to get to replace him averages 56 pins less than him.  So not looking to good for us.

It stinks too cause it hard to find people to bowl and it is like the people that do want to bowl are only bout half commited to it to try to get out of the house once in a while.  It is not something they try to get better at or even put a ton of effort to even showing up too.  Oh well that is going off subject into my tirade about people and their work ethic and commitment to their word.
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Re: Making a run at a league title
« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2003, 12:16:50 PM »
Look on the brite side Andy.  This guy feels like he's too good for your team.  Chemistry wasn't going to be there no matter how well everyone else bowled.  While losing your highest average bowler may look like a hard blow, find another bowler like yourself that is willing to practice and improve.  When you get 5 guys on a team that are steadily improving they are impossible to beat in the latter half of the year.  Averages won't keep up with your improvements.  May be your best bet to take down the league champs.


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Re: Making a run at a league title
« Reply #13 on: August 19, 2003, 01:03:17 PM »
At 70% spot, the highest average team will almost always finish near or at the top. Basically they have a 30% advantage every night. If the spot was 80% they likely wouldn't have won 6 years in a row, at 90% it would be really doubtful. I'm surprised you league doesn't vote to raise the handicap.

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Yes the league is handicap it is 70 percent of 200.  I think we may suprise some people.  I hope.
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