Author Topic: Markings on Used Balls (Read 4975 times)

JOE FALCO · « **on:** November 26, 2009, 04:20:34 AM »

I've recently noticed Used balls FOR SALE with pictures. These pictures clearly show the lines used to layout the ball. Isn't it UNUSUAL for these lines to be scribed into the ball? Isn't it normal to use a marker that can be wiped off? Wouldn't this signal a driller that is not competent?

Just wondering if that's what must bowlers would conclude?
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JS · « **Reply #1 on:** November 26, 2009, 12:29:46 PM »

Joe,

It's actually the other way around. By using a scribe you can be more accurate as this line is much thinner than a grease pencil. Take a look at WRW Jr's ball. You'll see scribe lines on his ball and I would say the PBA drillers are some of the most competent.

http://www.900global.com/WilliamsBalltechwebpageMotorCityOpen.pdf

JOE FALCO · « **Reply #2 on:** November 26, 2009, 12:36:41 PM »

Interesting .. thanks!
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JOE FALCO · « **Reply #3 on:** November 26, 2009, 02:11:12 PM »

The thing that baffles me on this is .. I've NEVER had a ball drilled where it was finally presented to me with the markings still on the ball. I understand the point of accuracy .. does it throw the drilling off that much?

Used balls drop tremendously in price once drilled .. I would imagine it next to impossible selling a ball with drillers lines on it! Would a driller have to predefine this for a customer before drilling?

I see the example of WRW's ball .. I've bought balls from Pro's and NEVER had this experience .. guess my knowledge of drilling/layouts is evident!
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stormed1 · « **Reply #4 on:** November 26, 2009, 05:41:30 PM »

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All you have to do is hit the surface with fresh 1000 or 2000 abralon and the lines are gone for the most part.

It all depends on who does the scribing. I've seen some that you would have to take 180 grit for about 10 min to take off. If done right the scribe marks are hardly there and can be removed with s slight surface touch up
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charlest · « **Reply #5 on:** November 26, 2009, 06:47:49 PM »

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All you have to do is hit the surface with fresh 1000 or 2000 abralon and the lines are gone for the most part.

It all depends on who does the scribing. I've seen some that you would have to take 180 grit for about 10 min to take off. If done right the scribe marks are hardly there and can be removed with s slight surface touch up
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Agreed. I was kind of annoyed the first time I bought a used ball with the scribe lines that the owner did not tell me were there. Took off a couple resurfacings worth of ball to remove them even to a slight degree.

Such deep lines are a defect as far as I am concerned.
My driller uses a sharpened grease pencil and in 25 years of drilling my balls, he has been off once that I can remember and that was 1/32".
Scribe lines are crutches for people that aren't precise.
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Buzzhead · « **Reply #6 on:** November 26, 2009, 07:14:29 PM »

I drill my own stuff using scribe lines, everyone else gets a nice clean ball with grease pencil. Unless they don't mind the scribe lines. There is NO way a pencil is as accurate as a scribe, not even a sharp pencil.
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JOE FALCO · « **Reply #7 on:** November 26, 2009, 07:15:41 PM »

Charlest as usual I agree 100% with your comment .. my thoughts on the subject is .. if it's easy to remove .. why doesn't the Seller do it?
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charlest · « **Reply #8 on:** November 26, 2009, 07:57:29 PM »

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Charlest as usual I agree 100% with your comment .. my thoughts on the subject is .. if it's easy to remove .. why doesn't the Seller do it?
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Joe,

Since their driller does it all the time, they think nothing is wrong with the ball. They also don't often re-drill their scribed balls. Their "black" is our "white" or vice versa.
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THIRTYSIXRED · « **Reply #9 on:** November 26, 2009, 08:37:17 PM »

I've only had 1 ball drilled by someone who used a scribe (before I realized that's how he did things). He will never drill a ball for me again. I have gone back to my favorite drillers who own a shop where they use yellow grease pencils.

If you think that being "that precise" with drilling a ball makes the bowler better, you are crazy. Hand a ball that was drilled using scribe marks to an average bowler, and you still have an average bowler (with a ball that has been defaced on purpose).

JOE FALCO · « **Reply #10 on:** November 27, 2009, 07:20:40 AM »

Your explanation is a good one .and understandable as you describe .. is there a reason why a local driller would do it? Aside from the accuracy thing would you agree it's not necessary? Would you also agree that the resale value DROPS with such markings?

I can picture a second driller (using the same technique) could find himself with MORE LINES on a ball then he could handle.

I do understand the situation you suggest and I also understand your exception to the word INCOMPETENT .. however do you think it necessary for accuracy for the LOCALS? Keep in mind that a LARGE PERCENTAGE of bowlers don't recognize the difference of a 1000 of an inch!
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agroves · « **Reply #11 on:** November 27, 2009, 07:27:11 AM »

I have scribed in the past. I only stopped b/c my scribe broke and I hadn't gotten around to picking up another one. I have only scribed my own and one other persons ball.

I will for anyone on request, it is more accurate. You don't have to "dig in", just mark the lines properly.
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laddog54 · « **Reply #12 on:** November 27, 2009, 08:22:44 AM »

My old driller used scribe lines and there is nothing wrong with it. Every ball that I have redrilled by the time you plug and surface the original lines are gone. Most balls get bigger scratches and nicks in them by the first 10-20 games that the scribe lines are. It comes down to personal preference, but I think you would be way to anal to be upset about scribe lines on a used ball.
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qstick777 · « **Reply #13 on:** November 27, 2009, 08:53:47 AM »

Scribes don't really bother me, as I'm usually only moving the thumb or the fingers.

I don't buy the accuracy argument. As long as the driller is consistent they can be accurate.

I can see the point if several people are handling the ball. Just because a grease pencil leaves a bigger line doesn't make it less accurate. If you always drill to the outside of the line it's just as accurate - again that is assuming that the same person that laid it out is doing the drilling (or is at least familiar/comfortable with the technique of the person that laid it out).

It's no different that simple carpentry. It's always best for the same person to do the measurements and marking, and for one person to always do the cutting. My marking of 48" may be right in the middle of the 48" mark, somebody else may put the edge of the mark on the 48" mark. One cutter might always cut to one side of the mark, or may center the blade on the mark. As long as it's consistent the results are workable.

I've had scribed balls that have no less than 8 lines scribed on the ball.

I don't think if you are scribing that it is really necessary to draw a full line to mark the center of the grip line. Nor do you really need to draw 1" lines to mark the finger holes.

I've also seen scribe lines that are just as deep as the engravings on the ball!

cheech · « **Reply #14 on:** November 27, 2009, 11:06:40 AM »

another thing idk if it as been said is that if a ball is scribed and the bowler goes into a proshop where they dont have there measurements on file, the new driller can easily take measurement off an existing ball
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