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Russell

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Those crying about Ebonite's cost increases.....just a thought.
« on: January 04, 2008, 01:43:55 PM »
In the PGA Superstore a new high end driver will run me about $400....right?

Can you go find me that same driver for much less online?

No....because all of the manufacturers have minimum pricing.  This keeps the retailers afloat and doesn't allow them to be destroyed by the internet.  You can't go online and buy a pair of new high end shoes...or a new pair of Oakleys...for much less than you can in a major store.

All of the major companies do this....

Nike
Reebok
Adidas
Oakley
Taylor Made
Mizuno
Titleist

The list goes on and on.....the bowling industry for some reason has chosen to crap all over pro shop owners for years...and now Ebonite is doing something about it.

Look around...pro shops are going under left and right.  Very few make a good living doing it anymore.  You want to cry about paying a little bit for service, but when your local shop shuts down you wonder why.

In Atlanta there are about 1/2 the shops there were 10 years ago...and even fewer quality ones.  If you guys have your way there won't be any.
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Re: Those crying about Ebonite's cost increases.....just a thought.
« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2008, 02:27:29 PM »
Throw Revo sungalsses in there too.

They're worth every penny, I have 2 pairs, but I would never pay the full price unless I'd absolutely have to.
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Re: Those crying about Ebonite's cost increases.....just a thought.
« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2008, 02:34:37 PM »
Plain and simple if you don't like the price increase don't buy their products. If you still buy the product dont be crying about it
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Re: Those crying about Ebonite's cost increases.....just a thought.
« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2008, 05:15:03 PM »
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Here's an interesting point.  PGA Superstore price Callaway FT-5 9.5° S TOUR NEUTRAL Driver NEW $449 free shipping. http://shop.pgatoursuperstore.com/pc-27714-250-mens-callaway-ft-5-tour-neutral-driver.aspx

Same driver new on eBay.  $310.  Bunch of them on there for around slightly over $120-$130 less plus shipping so around $100 less than the PGA Superstore.    http://cgi.ebay.com/Callaway-FT-5-9-5-S-TOUR-NEUTRAL-Driver-NEW_W0QQitemZ280187784931QQihZ018QQcategoryZ115280QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Way to go TaylorMade take care of your dealers.

Oh BTW the heads are made in a foundry in China.  
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Good job at comparing something completely irrelevant to the topic.
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Re: Those crying about Ebonite's cost increases.....just a thought.
« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2008, 06:40:45 PM »
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Good job at comparing something completely irrelevant to the topic.


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In the PGA Superstore a new high end driver will run me about $400....right?

Can you go find me that same driver for much less online?


Well, yes I did Jabs.  Your topic...your words....I showed you you can find the same over $400 driver on-line for a cheaper price.  Comparing apples to apples.


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Re: Those crying about Ebonite's cost increases.....just a thought.
« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2008, 06:58:58 PM »
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The only people who should be able to buy lower then a proshop is college students. I also think it should be ok for a highschool kid bowling highschool should be able to get that same price. I know that when it came to being in highschool I bought my equipment.
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I don't know about buying cheaper than the pro shop, but maybe at cost.  And only if a coach or school representative did the purchasing.  Looking at equipment lists and profiles/arsenals, a great majority of the people with tons of equipment are young people.  I don't feel like looking for the post, but one college kid said he could get just about anything but the high end releases shipped to his door for $60.  Those are the kinds of people buying way too much stuff, then dumping it fast.  People old enough to have disposable income, well those not named Joe Falco , aren't the ones "abusing" the current system.
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Re: Those crying about Ebonite's cost increases.....just a thought.
« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2008, 07:34:48 PM »
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It's called MAP-Manufacturers Advertised Price. It means that they have a set price and it cannot be ADVERTISED for lower. They can sell it for whatever they wish. It cannot be advertised on the internet or in print for lower than there set advertised price.
Have you ever seen 'add to shopping cart' or 'call for price'? It does happen, just not when the item is generally released or new.


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Ric, if this is true, why are all the major golf shops selling Titlest balls for the same exact price?  why are they selling the top model Ping driver, Taylor driver, Callaway driver etc, all at the same price?  why is the Addias
golf shoe, their top model, $179.99 everywhere.  
i have many friends in the golf shop business.  i am going to make a point and asked them to clarify this.  but the way we understand and it, and from what we see.  it appears that their is indeed a set price.  also there are many
prices advertised in print by the major golf companies.  just saw Dicks ad today.  i believe Titleist has some restrictions about ads, concerning their clubs, but not the balls.  those i see in ads all the time.  right now at $45.99.
now your right about "add to cart'  to get a price, but most of the time when i see that, it may be on closeout models or current models that they are running a promotion on.
Edwin Watts,  the company, once told me, that Titleist sets the price they can sell the Pro V1 for.  that was right after the price went up from $39.95 to $43.95.  so many the golf industry has both, map and floor pricing.
i noticed in another thread, that someone was complaining about a crack Twisted Fury.  i can honestly say, that our shop, did not have a defective highend Brunswick ball in 2007.


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Re: Those crying about Ebonite's cost increases.....just a thought.
« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2008, 07:47:46 PM »

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Ric, if this is true, why are all the major golf shops selling Titlest balls for the same exact price?  why are they selling the top model Ping driver, Taylor driver, Callaway driver etc, all at the same price?  why is the Addias
golf shoe, their top model, $179.99 everywhere.  
i have many friends in the golf shop business.  i am going to make a point and asked them to clarify this.  but the way we understand and it, and from what we see.  it appears that their is indeed a set price.  also there are many
prices advertised in print by the major golf companies.  just saw Dicks ad today.  i believe Titleist has some restrictions about ads, concerning their clubs, but not the balls.  those i see in ads all the time.  right now at $45.99.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the same apply to the Sony Playstation(s)?Nintendo?
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Re: Those crying about Ebonite's cost increases.....just a thought.
« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2008, 08:12:45 PM »
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Good job at comparing something completely irrelevant to the topic.


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In the PGA Superstore a new high end driver will run me about $400....right?

Can you go find me that same driver for much less online?


Well, yes I did Jabs.  Your topic...your words....I showed you you can find the same over $400 driver on-line for a cheaper price.  Comparing apples to apples.


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So buying from an individual is the same as from a retailer?

Just wondering....last I checked garage sales were a little different than retail stores.
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Re: Those crying about Ebonite's cost increases.....just a thought.
« Reply #24 on: January 06, 2008, 08:22:12 PM »
Geeez...Why do people always have to "dirty up the Bowling Forums" by hi-jacking them with Golf? If they want to talk Golf, go to the Misc Forum or go to a Golf Chat Site and talk Golf, but lets talk bowling here as it was intended to be. Golf and Bowling is the difference between apples and oranges, so we don't need to use Golf as an example for something when trying to get a point across because it is in a different world than bowling is.
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Re: Those crying about Ebonite's cost increases.....just a thought.
« Reply #25 on: January 06, 2008, 08:22:12 PM »
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o buying from an individual is the same as from a retailer?

Just wondering....last I checked garage sales were a little different than retail stores.


Majority of eBay sellers selling new TM, Callaway, Mizuno, etal are on-line etailers.  TM and the rest do not curtail them from selling on eBay.  Ping does.  <I bet Ping checks daily or more than once a day listings to see if any dealers are not following their MAP.>  

In truth, why would someone buy a driver on-line?  Isn't it about the correct fitting?  Correct shaft, grip, head loft <for correct spin and launch angle>...yadda yadda.  Isn't that what you are buying form your bowling pro shop ?  His/her expertise....fitting?  You see, I am agreeing with you but also showing you the doofus's that are selling new golf equipment on-line eBay and companies like TM, etal are allowing them to do it.

I haven't seen a 900Global ball new on eBay....yet.
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Re: Those crying about Ebonite's cost increases.....just a thought.
« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2008, 08:25:37 PM »
If all the pro shops go under guess what no bowling its gone peroid , no leagues whos gonna want to bowl at a place with no pro shop not me
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Re: Those crying about Ebonite's cost increases.....just a thought.
« Reply #27 on: January 07, 2008, 12:44:21 PM »
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The bowling pro shop business is not a new industry.  If owners cannot make
a living out of the business, whose fault is that?  Get out of the industry
and do something that you can make a living at.  Many other industries/bus-
inesses have had to change dramatically to continue making a profit---or
they go under.  Life is full of changes for people who want to be successful.
  One of the most important goals of education is to teach people to be able
to adapt to change.


So when all pro shops go under and nothing but websites are left...who's going to drill your stuff?  You going to make posts on a message board about what layout you should use and read BTM magazine?

Get a grip.
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Shops will be around, but all that will be left are drillers. Honestly, I don't think thats a bad gig. Just tell the customer what to buy, let them buy it online, and then have the driller drill it.

Many contractors in the bathroom remodeling business are going that way. The homeowner buys whatever they want for tile and fixtures, and the bathroom guys just come in and put it up. They don't have to worry about storying anything other than their own tools.

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