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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: lilpossum1 on March 30, 2014, 03:47:47 PM
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Are there things a bowler can do that maximize a bowler's chance of carry, whether there is a decent shot on the lane, or if the shot is completely soaked with very little back end like I had last Sunday.
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Very little backend seems to be solved often by looking shorter.
Regards,
Luckylefty
PS I know it but I'm struggleing with it right now myself!
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Sunday before last night, there was so little back end that our balls were not finishing. I have never seen so many 5 pins left in my life. I probably left 6 of them in one game alone. I was throwing my mastermind with soft speed. My dad encountered the same thing last night. The only strike he threw in the third game was a miracle light mixer. His ball was so soaked with oil that it was hard to pick up!
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Did someone mix up the conditioner and cleaner in the oiler? That's what it sound like
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Just the way the lanes are oiled. Leagues Sunday through Friday. Lanes stripped on Tuesday and the back ends are stripped on Thursday. No stripping the rest of the days. The lane man goes out with a squirt bottle and a mop to oil the lanes.
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Coach Joe has a good article on bowlingknowledge.info called shape shifting. Overall good strategy.
May not help on the super soaked conditions... many years ago, we had a similar situation. I had an Apex Obsession at the time (only the 2nd Ebonite ball I have liked since the late 80s... other was the Turbo X). I hit the surface with a 360 Abralon pad... desperate times call for desperate measures... never threw a ball with that much surface before... just enough to get a touch of reaction when everyone else had none. Managed to shoot a low 700 set playing literally up 15. Still remember that night.
Find something with a strong core and get a lot of surface on it.
S^2
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IT sounds like our shot!
Mixed up the conditioner and cleaner! Heee Haa!
We have pins sliding over 3 feet and staying upright. I asked the oil guy. "Any more butterfat you could put right in to the pin deck?" He didn't appreciate it!
A 450 rpm guy lefty we have is standing 20 throwing 9 to 4 and does have some reaction.
I think I found a wrinkle too!
REgards,
Luckylefty
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I am looking up the article now. thanks. Don't think I will dull a ball that much though. That type of shot is not exactly normal, but it is not unheard of. We tend to get craptons of carry down from time to time.
Lucky lefty, gotta love 70 feet of skid, eh?
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You've gotta close your angles off...the longer the conditioner the shorter the potential reaction window...straighter is greater
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In the past this type of shot has been a specialty of mine.
Put my Robby's old timey wrist brace, softened up and I ended up with finishing with as good a shot as any of the lefties in the house.
Difference between top righties and lefties in the house is right now about 140 pins a set.
Washout at 9 at the breakpoint and strikes if 3 to 6 are hit at the break.
What is that minus 31 foot rule! Forget it on this au jus!
Regards,
Luckylefty
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You've gotta close your angles off...the longer the conditioner the shorter the potential reaction window...straighter is greater
Great advice as well. Take what the lane gives.
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Bowler miss that too many times...TAKE WHAT THE LANE GIVES YOU
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I am surprised the -31 rule is so far off for we lefties in this house.
Breakpoint for most of on the Port side is right near 5 or thereabouts. By the -31 rule it should be somewhere near 12 as they say the shot is 43 now....
Regards,
Luckylefty
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From My long time in observing bowlers with the BEST carry, the ones that have a heavy forward roll with a slight axis tilt (NOT end over end), carry better than the "spinners".
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Can somebody post a video or link to a video with a person with this type of rotation? I am a "see it done" person
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It's somewhat simple...the more side rotation - if lane is north-south bowling ball is rotating more east-west (being RH) the longer it takes the ball to slow down as it exits the conditioner - taking everything else into consideration...one that is traveling or rotating in a more north-south is going to bleed or slow down easier
Also the more east-west rotation the sharper the ball will change direction as it exits or slows down thus increasing necessary angles
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Rico, you know what you are talking about so much that you confuse me. I intend that as a compliment BTW. So let me see if I understand this correctly. A ball that is rotating more perpendicularly to the direction of travel will not slow down as quickly as a ball that is rotating more end over end? Also, more perpendicar rotation will produce a sharper move at the breakpoint? Does this expand to "more boards covered," or just more entry angle? And what impact does the ball slowing down more or less have on reaction? Thanks for all the input :) sorry if I am a bother to teach
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I'm confusing? Wow ok...
Take a bicycle tire with a rod thru it...the tire is the track, the rod is the axis
The more the tire is rotating north-south (north being the foul line and the pins being south) as well as the rod, this is end over end...this will have the least resistance to conditioner or friction
Conversely, one where the tire is rotating towards east-west, will be more effected by the conditions-conditioner and friction
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Wasn't saying you were confusing, you just confused me lol. The bicycle makes a lot of sense. Thanks
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I get a lot of my videos on 123bowl.com.
They have a lot of info and reviews with videos on most all balls.
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Just Rico speaks the truth. Carry isn't about entry angle created by hook, but about the amount of rotational energy being released as the ball enters the pocket. A high rev rate with lower axis rotation releases more energy, and thus deflects less, than a lower rev rate with higher axis rotation assuming speed to rev rate is optimum in both cases. I use to tell people that my biggest carry problem was that I out hooked my rev rate on many conditions. People didn't really understand then, but it should make sense now if you think about it. I managed to increase my ball speed, and rev rate while cutting down on my axis rotation, and my carry go better on a broader range of conditions. Also, the trend to longer tournament patterns shows that carry doesn't drop with the amount of hook, if you have strong low axis rotation. The straighter guys whack the Wolf better than the high axis rotation guys.
Look at the tour players. They are all going with lower axis rotation and smaller hook than was the norm a few years back. Even Pete has decreased his huge axis rotation significantly, although it is still among the largest out there.
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It's all abt creating the proper angles so the bowling ball loses rotational integrity correctly
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I am surprised the -31 rule is so far off for we lefties in this house.
Breakpoint for most of on the Port side is right near 5 or thereabouts. By the -31 rule it should be somewhere near 12 as they say the shot is 43 now....
Regards,
Luckylefty
LL,
It is my understanding of the -31 rule, which may or may not be 100% correct, that the number it produces is where the ball should exit the pattern.....which may or may not be the actual breakpoint. In your case the ball should be at 12 at 43Ft, but it may be further left than that at the breakpoint, that would be determined by other factors on the lane. If you think of Cheetah at 35ft, the -31 rule says 4, which isn't the breakpoint for most on Cheetah, the breakpoint is usually 1 or 2. But the ball should be at 4 at 35 ft and it is probably close for most as well. And, as I am sure you know, the -31 Rule is not exact, but gives you an idea, a starting point.
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It's all abt creating the proper angles so the bowling ball loses rotational integrity correctly
THIS!
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Yeah, back when the USBC still published its physical copies of the magazine it had a good article about the proper angle of entry.
It's all abt creating the proper angles so the bowling ball loses rotational integrity correctly
THIS!
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The rule of 31 is a good starting point on flatter conditions for those that can't read a lane graph. You can throw it out when there is built in friction to the outside.
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And there are no absolutes...too many variables
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Thank you for all thr input!
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Ya that all sounds peachy until you throw it and it doesn't do what the paper says...throw the ball and TRUST your eyes and adjust to that
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Also, all machines are going to put out the pattern properly... I promise.