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michelle

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maybe more similarities to golf...
« on: June 24, 2003, 09:55:56 PM »


Just saw this in the paper...Tiger intimating that there may be people using illegal equipment on tour.  I can just see the PGA going to club cards like we have ball cards...but where will they put the mill hole?

http://www.statesman.com/sports/content/sports/ap/ap_story.html/Golf/AP.V3883.AP-GLF-The-Pro-Sho.html

 

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Re: maybe more similarities to golf...
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2003, 01:21:21 PM »
Corked drivers!
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Re: maybe more similarities to golf...
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2003, 02:16:14 PM »
Tiger’s big issue is with the COR (Coefficient of restitution) of the clubs particularly on the driver. This described better as the spring effect of the club face. Drivers can now have club faces so thin that they actually flex inward and spring back some giving the ball a higher energy transfer. This effect is magnified with higher swing speeds, like the pro’s but doesn’t really help the normal golfer much.

The USGA has set a limit on this measurement but it takes quite a bit of sophisticated equipment to measure in laboratory conditions. The USGA have been arguing for several years with the Royal and Ancient golf club on what the limit should be and last year they agreed on a new limit. The Royal and Ancient had a more liberal rule and drivers with lower numbers were available overseas for a couple of years. I believe these clubs were grandfather’d in a legal for next 5 or 10 years.

All new clubs are submitted to this test but as stated when you pushing the edge some variations in the manufacturing process may allow the club to slip under the number. They feel they have devised a test using a metal ball on a pendulum that is portable and could be used to test individual clubs at tournament sites. The argument comes down to, is the test reliable and what happens if do to wear and tear a conforming club becomes illegal. Do you deny a player his favorite club right before a tournament ?

Tiger has seemed to lose much of his distance edge over the field in the last couple of years largely do these drivers and the new golf ball and he has been unable to find a driver with a lower COR that he can control.

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Re: maybe more similarities to golf...
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2003, 02:23:09 PM »
Rag’s -  this is really nothing new. For 30 years there has been balls with softer covers that spin more and 2-piece balls that fly further. The softer balls were not a durable but provided more feel and spin.

But again technology has come into play where now you can have a soft durable cover on a 2-piece ball. Using factors of dimple shape, dimple patterns, cover thickness, cover hardness and different cores the ball can be altered to provide more/less spin and lower/higher trajectory.

Nike has built balls for Tiger that have specific properties that match his swing speed,  launch angle, spin to give him the ball flight he wants. Sometimes these balls are not even available to the general public.

Other ball manufactures have done the same for some of their staff members as well.

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Re: maybe more similarities to golf...
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2003, 10:32:18 PM »
Sawbones,

Seems to me someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed...*laugh*...

Was posted in the Misc/Not Bowling Related Forum...........would think bowlers actually would like to talk about something else too?????  Think this is not just a bowling board....but a site for Bowlers.......

My two cents again....(getting poorer minute by minute....maybe if stuck to bowling would save my sense....lol)
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Re: maybe more similarities to golf...
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2003, 10:38:35 PM »
Sawbones - May the dreaded "S" word creep into your game for saying you seldom play.

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Re: maybe more similarities to golf...
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2003, 11:46:38 PM »
Tiger is not losing because of length.

Tiger fired Butch Harmon as his full time coach! Though their is still some relationship.  His swing reminds me of army golf right now.  Left right left right, at least with a driver!  When does he ever finish in balance any more?
It used to be nearly every swing!

Greg Norman did the same thing after the 96 masters(a crushing defeat).

It was downhill for Greg, (except his wallet, the guy is the unluckiest golfer, luckiest golfer businessman!!)

Tiger appears to be slipping, crooked driving, wayward putting and a few nerves showing.

His father said he should stay away from thinking about getting married.
Who can blame him for concentrating on something other than golf for once.
Have you seen his girlfriend!?

I've got  $300,000 million in muni bonds, this girlfriend, adulation everywhere on the planet.  What's a backswing?

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Re: maybe more similarities to golf...
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2003, 07:55:14 AM »
Sawbones - AAAAUUUGGGHHHHH you are not suppose to say that word. As an old golfer you know that. Just saying it can cause it to creep into yours and others game....Now I will have to cleanse myself in holy water and say 20 hail Mary's just to exorcise myself of this.

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Re: maybe more similarities to golf...
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2003, 07:56:28 AM »
To show how difficult a problem detecting illegal clubs is let me give you an example.
I used Ping Eye 2 irons when I played.
When they first came out there was a problem that Ping hadnt applied for a patent to the R&A for the square groves.
They went on a legal battle for ages and the R&A won.
However while it was going on I was using the clubs regularly and had worn them in so to speak.
They brought a test out, just a small tool that checked the grove depth and squareness.
I had to have mine checked. When they did seven clubs passed the check and 2 failed. I had hit so many balls with the first 7 that the groves had lost their edge and now read legal.
It just goes to show how difficult the whole process is.
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