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Applejacks

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Not matching well with a brand
« on: January 07, 2015, 08:46:43 PM »
1st time poster here and glad I finally joined the forums. Ive bowled for a long time and I've used brunswick for the longest time but even tho its sometimes weak and  sometimes doesn't shape up well for me its been my safest bet. Ive tried storm and roto grip for a bit and to me I'm guessing its too strong for me. Their polished balls are too over under for me and the sanded equipment is too strong burning out or too much hook i wanted to try other brands has anyone else had this problem and if you have what brands have you tried

 

tommyboy74

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Re: Not matching well with a brand
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2015, 09:17:00 PM »
Welcome to the forums!  Not matching up well with brands has happened to the vast majority of us.  There are also times where we throw a brand we like and still don't match up.

In my case, the EBI brands were ok but didn't match up as well as I wanted.  Here, the balls from Track turned out to be more condition specific than I wanted.  A good example of this was the 919C.  The more I used it, the more I found out I was limited.  The 505T turned out to be a good ball and I retired it at the end of last season.  Hammer was ok but ran into overlap with my existing arsenal.

For Storm and Roto Grip, I've had success with them.  2 of my favorites from Roto Grip are the Critical Theory and Nomad Dagger, and I still throw these as needed.  The Storm Virtual Gravity Nano was good but even with surface changes, it was still a bit more angular than I wanted.  I sold that and went with the Roto Grip Defiant which works better for me.

On the other hand, the Storm Anarchy was hit or miss.  When leaving it at box finish, it performed well, provided that I had enough oil to use it.  Sanding it for heavier volumes gave me a ton of over/under.

With Motiv, I really like what I see so far.  The Sigma Sting (just discontinued this week) has been one of the best benchmark balls I've ever thrown.  That ball just works.  The Covert Revolt is really nice on some heavier volume and provides a smooth, predictable reaction.  Box finish was slightly longer than I wanted on some patterns but sanding to 2000 gave me exactly what I wanted.

Before giving up on a brand, always try some surface changes first.  Box surfaces do not always work for everyone.  This is also why it's important to go to a good pro shop that will take the time to see how you bowl, take the proper measurements (PAP, pitches, etc), and ask about your game.  As long as the shop does this, there is less chance you'll end up with something that doesn't match up for your game.
Current Ball Arsenal
Heavy:
MOTIV Jackal Legacy
MOTIV Mythic Jackal

Med-Heavy:
MOTIV Trident Odyssey
MOTIV Forge Fire
MOTIV Covert Revolt

Medium:
MOTIV VIP ExJ Sigma
MOTIV Sigma Sting
MOTIV Pride Solid

Medium-Light
MOTIV Venom Shock
MOTIV Tribal Fire

EL3MCNEIL

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Re: Not matching well with a brand
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2015, 09:52:05 PM »
1st time poster here and glad I finally joined the forums. Ive bowled for a long time and I've used brunswick for the longest time but even tho its sometimes weak and  sometimes doesn't shape up well for me its been my safest bet. Ive tried storm and roto grip for a bit and to me I'm guessing its too strong for me. Their polished balls are too over under for me and the sanded equipment is too strong burning out or too much hook i wanted to try other brands has anyone else had this problem and if you have what brands have you tried

I've used Brunswick, loved it and still love their products, but I wanted to see what other brands have to offer. Not because of disappointment, but mainly out of me wanting to know.

With EBI Ebonite: I've used The One and the Total NV. I loved both balls. Disappointed I didn't get to try the Angular One and the Infinite One. I liked the reaction that I got from them.

With EBI Hammer: I've tried their recent stuff and as much as I liked the Ebonite stuff I really like the Hammer stuff. Especially the Black Widow's. I haven't found a Hammer ball to use with on "Heavy Oil" and I feel their is some slight overlap.

I am looking to try Columbia 300, 900 Global, DV8, Radical, Storm & Roto Grip in no particular order, but just in a money availability order. All of the Brands have something to offer, just have to be willing to try something new.
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Re: Not matching well with a brand
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2015, 10:44:45 PM »
My feeling is that maybe the ball make up may be in question, possibly not the manufacturer. My suggestion if you want to play the field is get a good benchmark ball. Yup, a boring, smooth reacting, predictable ball that can be used on a medium THS.

Specialized balls like certain pearl equipment can get a bit squirty, and strong sanded balls can burn out, at least thats what I have experienced as well.

I think many companies carry good middle of the road balls. I personally have had favorites from almost all companies at different times.

I did at one point have a bag full of hook monsters, mixed with polished pearl pieces. Then I started getting the benchmark pieces, and that is when I noticed a difference in my average and getting more consistent scores. It is not about the most hook, or sharpest back end all the time. Its about consistently knocking them down.

Welcome to the forum.

Applejacks

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Re: Not matching well with a brand
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2015, 11:24:36 PM »
Thanks for all the responses! looks like ebi is pretty popular i actually love hammer equipment but they just died so fast compared to the other brands so i stopped using them and moved to brunswick not on purpose but my pro shop kept pushing the newest ball onto me and it seemed to fit my arsenal. Played a lot with the surface and no matter what it just doesn't seem to fix the problem that often.

EL3MCNEIL

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Re: Not matching well with a brand
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2015, 03:13:31 AM »
I personally haven't had any "ball death" issues with any of my EBI products. I still use my Total NV to this day depending on where I bowl at. I've also used Track bowling balls, but they were pre-EBI so I don't think it's relevant to this discussion, but I do wish I still had some of their old stuff.
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tommyboy74

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Re: Not matching well with a brand
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2015, 08:39:59 AM »
Thanks for all the responses! looks like ebi is pretty popular i actually love hammer equipment but they just died so fast compared to the other brands so i stopped using them and moved to brunswick not on purpose but my pro shop kept pushing the newest ball onto me and it seemed to fit my arsenal. Played a lot with the surface and no matter what it just doesn't seem to fix the problem that often.

Key words of a shop just selling and not meeting the needs of the bowler:  "my pro shop kept pushing the newest ball onto me and it seemed to fit my arsenal. Played a lot with the surface and no matter what it just doesn't seem to fix the problem that often." 

I don't mean to beat you up here but honestly, this is a sign of a bad shop.  Good shops will take you on the lanes, see how you bowl, take the proper measurements, select the best layout based on all of that, and then recommend maybe 1-2 balls that will work for the intended purpose.  Then, if in a bowling center, they'll usually have you throw the ball to see how it matches up and make any tweaks if needed.

If you are open to shop suggestions on here as well, just let us know. 
« Last Edit: January 08, 2015, 08:41:54 AM by tommyboy74 »
Current Ball Arsenal
Heavy:
MOTIV Jackal Legacy
MOTIV Mythic Jackal

Med-Heavy:
MOTIV Trident Odyssey
MOTIV Forge Fire
MOTIV Covert Revolt

Medium:
MOTIV VIP ExJ Sigma
MOTIV Sigma Sting
MOTIV Pride Solid

Medium-Light
MOTIV Venom Shock
MOTIV Tribal Fire

Applejacks

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Re: Not matching well with a brand
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2015, 09:02:03 AM »
I actually did recently change my pro shop since i was tired of them recommending this or that so i changed to a pro shop that watches me bowl and recommended me a whole bunch of balls but mostly motiv but i never tried so don't know much about that

EL3MCNEIL

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Re: Not matching well with a brand
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2015, 01:27:23 PM »
I actually did recently change my pro shop since i was tired of them recommending this or that so i changed to a pro shop that watches me bowl and recommended me a whole bunch of balls but mostly motiv but i never tried so don't know much about that

Depends on the area, but Pro Shops usually carry and recommend what is in demand in the location. So it might be MOTIV in one place and Storm in another.
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Applejacks

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Re: Not matching well with a brand
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2015, 03:52:12 PM »
I'm going to still look around for a pro shop I feel confident but what ball do you think i should try i know theres a lot of good ones out right now

EL3MCNEIL

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Re: Not matching well with a brand
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2015, 09:18:33 PM »
I'm no professional by any means, but what I do is have a general idea of what I am looking for, utilize my pro shop and the experience of people (this board included) watch videos and then make an educated choice after taking all of the information in.

Usually, when you are gonna put up $200+ you are thorough in your decision making. 

Just use the tools you have available and make decisions you think may be the best after you have gathered all the information you can. At the end of the day it is your money you are spending.
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Re: Not matching well with a brand
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2015, 09:46:05 PM »
the brand i most matched up with the last 6 or so years was columbia. other than that i just match up with a certain core or ball not really a brand. storm and roto stuff is too clean for what i like to see but i love the IQ tour solid and like my totally defiant although i dont get to throw it much. hated the disturbed. love the brunswick vapor zone and beatdown and hated the alpha max. love all things related to hammer vibes and pretty much hate everything else. (never thrown a widow but im a big fan.)