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Midseason release question/rant
« on: January 19, 2012, 05:18:27 PM »
Ok, here we are, in January, most of us midway through our league season, looking forward to the warm summer ahead (Well, at least me, here in Chicagoland). Ball releases were plentiful in August, when ball releases are traditionally made. I've noticed a very strange trend that kind of bothers me, and I am sure frustrates pro shop owners, and in the end, the ball companies themselves.
 
Let's take AMF/900 Global for an example. Reason I am doing this is because I am most familiar with their release schedule the last couple of years.
 
Last year, I believe middle of the season, AMF releases the OMG. Great weightblock with a strong coverstock. Could have been the ball to start out the next season with. But it's releases right around Jan or Feb. Why?
 
This year, 900 Global releases the Train, which is new weightblock technology, and a Hybrid cover, right after the new year. Why? This is the perfect release for the new season.
 
My issue isn't with releases. Ball companies want to make money, so they release balls all year long. My issue is with the fact that alot of great equipment gets lost in the shuffle of "Well, I don't need a new ball right now, because my league equipment is doing me well" and pro shop guys saying "I don't need more inventory right now, because I know I will be slow in 4 months, and don't want to risk sitting on these through out the summer." By August, the release that comes out in Jan may be on the discontinued list because it didn't sell as well, because it was released at a time where hardly anyone wants to buy a new ball.
 
Anyone else see what I am saying?
 
Why do ball companies do this? 
 


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Re: Midseason release question/rant
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2012, 01:26:03 AM »
USBC Nationals runs Feb-July

Megabucks

Masters

PBA events

 

 

Brunswick has always had a Jan or Feb release in all the time I've been on Staff or employed. It's a pretty set schedule for releases.


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Re: Midseason release question/rant
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2012, 01:35:43 AM »
But Nick, do you feel that the release just for a couple of tournaments (which really, do you need the newest technology to bowl any of those events?) might get a couple of your pieces lost in that midseason shuffle? For instance, when your new Hell Raiser whatever (no disrespect, just can't remember the name offhand) just got released, and you know you're going to release more DV8 stuff for Bowl Expo, and that's mostly where pro shops start looking at what they're going to stock for the upcoming season, to cater to their customers (mostly house guys), isn't it disappointing when that new ball, no matter how outstanding, gets lost in the next big thing release in August?
 
Don't give it to me as a ball rep, give it to me as a bowler. :) I know the ball rep speech. "But it's a full line up and all equipment fits into a certain niche blah blah blah" 


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Re: Midseason release question/rant
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2012, 01:47:23 AM »
I can give it to you from every perspective, because I've been just a bowler. I've been a pro shop owner and now I am a ball rep.

 

As a bowler, I welcomed the releases all during the year. Competing at the local and pro level, I wanted to test and tune every type of ball I could get my hands on. I drilled 100s of balls and never got to the point where I said "I'm good, I never need another ball."


As a pro shop owner, I welcomed the releases all during the year. I was not forced to purchase anything I didn't want to. I made my best buying decisions based on past history, performance, and what I thought would appeal to my customers. A lot of times I got it right, sometimes I got it wrong. When I got it wrong, I marked it down and moved on. I tracked my sales history and how many "turns" each product got. Having new releases throughout the year gave me more to talk about with my customers. I was in the business to make money and make people excited about bowling. The great bowling balls stuck around for years, and there have been only a small handful in the last 10 years that had "staying power".

 

As a ball rep, I can say one thing. We work on a very set release schedule, and until the sales numbers show otherwise, consumer sales are driven by new ball releases. If the demand is there (which it is), then it is our business to create the supply for that demand.

 

That is as straight forward and honest as I can be.


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Re: Midseason release question/rant
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2012, 05:36:21 AM »
I don't know what percent of sales are international clientele. Also, the international market does not have bowling seasons like the US which introductions of balls during the year has no adverse effect.


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Re: Midseason release question/rant
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2012, 07:19:21 AM »
Nick, don't you think that when you release the next greatest ball, that it takes away from the shelf life of the last next greatest ball? Years ago, products were given time to ripen and become those staples. If they were duds, those were the ones that you saw on the discontinued list, not all the ones that you see now because there wasn't enough time as the next greatest ball before the next next greatest ball came out? 
 
In my pro shop days, the guy that I worked for was a huge Ebonite fan. So much so, that he bought 48 blue Omegas. As we all know, that ball was a commercial flop, and was on closeout as soon as they came out with the Omega LM. Those balls back in those days (Blue Omega, Riptide, Tombstone) were supposed to be the next greatest ball, and they weren't going to be, no matter how long they were on the market, so Ebonite was right to come out with something to cover their messup with those.
 
But now, I feel that it hurts the pro shop to have to keep up with a large mid season launch. If I am correct, DV8 is coming out with 2 new balls (one color, one tweak of an older ball) and Big B is coming out with 2 (some hyphen max ball, and another Nexus). Pro shops don't feel confident buying in large amounts to get bulk discounts, because they know that 4 months later, that stock may be outdated.
 
August used to be an exciting time. You hear about new additions to the lineup of whatever company, and those mainly stuck around for the year, at least. Now, it's like the weather in Chicago. Don't like the weather? Wait 5 minutes. Only, in pro shops, it's "Don't like the line up? Wait 3 months." 
 
I feel it's unfair to a potentially great product to get introduced in the middle of the year, because more than likely, it's going to get lost in the end of the year shuffle. 900 just came out with the Train, which I think is because either the Bank Roll didn't perform like they wanted it to, or it didn't sell like they wanted it to. From what I've heard and seen, going to be a great ball. Waiting to put holes in mine. Just makes me sad that I have to wonder if it's going to be around for the league bowler to try before it's marked down because the Bullet Train is right around the corner.
 
Traditionally, league bowlers buy at the beginning of the season. Then there are schmoes like us Ballreview yahoos who buy whenever we have the urge! The whole market isn't comprised of people like us. We're a niche group.
 
It makes me feel like I used to when I was in electronics sales. People would ask me "When is this computer going to be obsolete?" Well, technically, it was obsolete before it hit our shelves. But, it is only obsolete when it stops working for you! /sales guy pitch. Badly timed releases in the technology world are murderous. I feel the same way with bowling balls.
 
That's all. I just wanted to complain. :) 


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Re: Midseason release question/rant
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2012, 08:06:52 AM »
I cant speak for Nick and Brunswick...but when we (900 Global) release a new ball in the same price point you never hear "this is the latest and greatest....that last ball wasnt..."  We release balls to fill gaps, to improve on performance, to generate a product line.  The Train wasnt released because the Bank Roll didnt sell....  The Train was released to give a different motion, another CHOICE in ball reaction.  Distributors, Pro Shops, and consumers have choices on what they stock, put on the shelf to sell, and ultimately what they buy.....this is capitalism.     

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Re: Midseason release question/rant
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2012, 08:15:19 AM »
Honestly if the ball Brands want to flood the market it doesn't affect the bowler, if anything it enhances the opportunities for the bowler.

 

In the end if they don't sell it the Ball Companies that lose out from all the production costs.  And plain and simple there's a lot of people who buy tons of balls (myself included) but it is my choice and my money.



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Re: Midseason release question/rant
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2012, 08:29:31 AM »
Eric, I am glad you chimed in.
 
Since I am strictly San Antonio in the bag, I'll ask you a question that I've had for a while.
 
For example, do you feel that releasing the OMG solid when you did was in the best interest to make it as sellable as possible? If I remember correctly, it was released around this time last year, and I don't think that it really gave it enough time to make it onto a shelf and sell well. 
 
And also, people are free to flood the market with whatever. The thing that gets me is when there's a real gem in the pack, and it gets overlooked because there is just too much to choose from. Also, the whole argument of "Well, there's nationals, megabuck tournaments, etc etc etc" is null. Nick, I know you're not trying to say that someone couldn't take a Hell Raiser (which, from what I've read, hooks a pretty good amount) or a Nexus Solid and make that work, right?
 
Ok, maybe the question has to be "Do you think that the planned obsolescence period has gotten too short for good bowling balls to really have a chance to shine?" We're in a down economy, and do you think your releases should reflect that? Would you rather sell a bunch of one ball (thus saving money on R&D) or push the limits and have potentially great bowling balls get passed over because of a less than stellar release schedule?
EricThomas wrote on 1/20/2012 9:06 AM:I cant speak for Nick and Brunswick...but when we (900 Global) release a new ball in the same price point you never hear "this is the latest and greatest....that last ball wasnt..."  We release balls to fill gaps, to improve on performance, to generate a product line.  The Train wasnt released because the Bank Roll didnt sell....  The Train was released to give a different motion, another CHOICE in ball reaction.  Distributors, Pro Shops, and consumers have choices on what they stock, put on the shelf to sell, and ultimately what they buy.....this is capitalism.     

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Re: Midseason release question/rant
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2012, 08:29:43 AM »
If bowlers would stop thinking that every new ball is going to somehow make them better and buying them...the ball companies would stop releasing 400 balls a year.  This is basic supply and demand....we have fewer bowlers than ever...and more bowling ball choices than ever.  As a pro shop owner I see it everyday, the guy coming in looking for a ball to let him stand in the same place for a 10 game block and never adjust, if the ball makes them move....it sucks...so they buy a new one.  Eventually this bowler realizes they aren't very good and quits....taking up a cheaper sport....like golf.

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Re: Midseason release question/rant
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2012, 09:01:25 AM »
I can see interesting points on both sides of the coin here. It is capitalism after all.

 

On that note, it's clear that multiple strategies can generate a profit.Visionary seems to be quiet the opposite of the other companies for the time being. Their line up remains much the same seeminly year to year with maybe one or two changes. But lines like the Ogre have been around since 2007 and are still selling well today.

 

I personnaly love my Ogre Pearl. I don't know that this would be classified a "gem", or "must-have" by the masses but even 5 years later, it's still a very effective ball.

 

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Re: Midseason release question/rant
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2012, 09:42:59 AM »
Thanks for your continued business!
 The OMG has been supported for 12 months now.  Released last Jan and it was placed in our catalog this summer.  So it has been given ample time to be placed on the shelf and sold through.  Believe what you want but Jan-Feb is a strong month for HP sales.....tournaments, tax returns, flat out timing or thinking that you need a new ball.....all play a factor. 
Any manufacturer would love to make one ball and sell hundreds of thousands of them.  Its just not possible in today's climate or in the sport we are in....What works for you will not necessarily work for me.  Our sport is not standardized....lane surfaces vary, oil patterns vary, styles vary etc.  Is there a need for 400 different options...no.  But again that's where capitalism comes in....without someone buying the product there would be no companies....the consumer ultimately controls who survives.


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Re: Midseason release question/rant
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2012, 08:21:48 PM »
I love threads like this where we get both sides of the fence, so to speak, to post their views and opinions.  Thanks for contributing.  Very interesting. 



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Re: Midseason release question/rant
« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2012, 08:47:08 PM »
 I agree with Russell, like usual. They release so many balls because, quite frankly, people will buy them.

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