Author Topic: Mongoose Lifter (Read 15389 times)

psychodad · « **on:** February 23, 2011, 05:10:11 AM »

Has anyone here used a Mongoose Lifter. It says it induces fingers to do more work. I had read this from a review on it, The strap for your fingers really helps you to learn how to correctly lift the ball to create revolutions and hook, Can someone give me their opinion on this and does it do what it says.

JJM · « **Reply #1 on:** February 23, 2011, 02:23:22 PM »

I tried it ... then returned it. It was much too restricting for me...sorry!

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JessN16 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 23, 2011, 07:03:27 PM »

Changed my ball roll quite a bit, and is the only wrist brace I've ever used (and I've used a bunch) that induced pain.

I think my problem was you have to be very careful about the span with this brace, more so than others. It's very restrictive, and all of a sudden I felt like I was stretching to throw any of my equipment. I started getting major pain at the base of the thumb and had to bag it.

That's too bad, because it did seem to ease the pain I usually get (top-back of the wrist).

The other thing it did to me was cut down on tilt substantially and my PAP actually moved about an inch. Once that happens, of course, you've got equipment acting completely differently from the way it was originally intended to roll.

It's a quality piece of equipment, but just be ready to do a lot of CAREFUL refitting if you intend to use it.

Jess

Steven · « **Reply #3 on:** February 23, 2011, 07:29:40 PM »

JessN16 wrote on 2/23/2011 8:03 PM:
Changed my ball roll quite a bit, and is the only wrist brace I've ever used (and I've used a bunch) that induced pain.

I think my problem was you have to be very careful about the span with this brace, more so than others. It's very restrictive, and all of a sudden I felt like I was stretching to throw any of my equipment. I started getting major pain at the base of the thumb and had to bag it.

Hmmm. I use the Lifter and it's close cousin the Optimum quite a bit. I switch between the Mongoose braces and the Storm Gadget depending on what feel I'm looking for at a given time.

If you have a relaxed span as outlined by Ron Clifton:

http://www.bowl4fun.com/ron/btm05_files/btm5.htm

The Lifter shouldn't cause any unusual pain. On the surface the brace seems restrictive but by simply loosening the finger strap a little, it's very versatile. I can come up straight behind the ball or come around it more when I'm playing deeper inside. Overall, the Mongoose braces are some of the most comfortable available.

« **Reply #4 on:** February 23, 2011, 08:06:18 PM »

I prefer the Mongoose Equalizer for my game, but have used the Lifter in the past with good results.

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charlest · « **Reply #5 on:** February 24, 2011, 07:29:19 AM »

As Steven suggested/implied, almost any brace you use changes your span, grip and sometimes your pitches. You need to have your grip measured with the wrist device you intend to use, when the driller measures your span and grip.

If you use your normal span and pitches with a wrist device, when you have not been using one, the chances are high that it will change how the ball feels and how it comes off your hand. ONLY if your current grip is extremely relaxed will you stand a chance of being able to use any wrist device properly WITHOUT having the span adjusted.

I have used the Equalizer a lot with not problems. I have not tried the Lifter. It seems designed to force you to roll the ball more, rather to turn the ball. That is true for many devices that have the finger support go far down to the 1st set of knuckles. The Equalizer allows you to do more because it is just a brace for the back of the wrist.

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Edited by charlest on 2/24/2011 at 8:32 AM

Steven · « **Reply #6 on:** February 24, 2011, 08:07:08 AM »

charlest wrote on 2/24/2011 8:29 AM:
If you use your normal span and pitches with a wrist device, when you have not been using one, the chances are high that it will change how the ball feels and how it comes off your hand. ONLY if your current grip is extremely relaxed will you stand a chance of being able to use any wrist device properly WITHOUT having the span adjusted.

charlest: To your point, I did have some challenges using the Lifter/Optimum when I had a longer span with more reverse thumb pitch. That was all fixed when I migrated to a more relaxed span. I don't consider Ron Clifton's recommendations EXTREMELY relaxed, but instead a good system for span measurement that will keep you in a safe zone and help prevent injury. I suffered terrible elbow tendinitis a few years back, and after going through a tough healing period, I haven't had any issues since using Ron's fitting recommendations.

But yes, if you have a more stretched span, it's better to get a checkup with your driller ahead of time before commiting to a new brace.

charlest · « **Reply #7 on:** February 24, 2011, 09:14:49 AM »

Steven,

I still have to say, based on personal experience, you don't have to have a stretched span for wrist device to require a re-measurement. I think JESSN16's and JJM's experience (I'd bet their feel would have been less "restricting" if their span had been made smaller before using the Lifter.) and mine and many others I have seen, reinforce that. I am not saying everyone needs to have their span changed, but every grip has to be measured the way you throw the ball. My span is relaxed, not stretched but not "relaxed" by a lot. Some devices like the Mongoose Equalizer and Robby's plus, ones with just cloth straps across the palm, usually do not need changes. Devices with metal bars across the palm and severe plastic or metal pieces around the forearm and down the fingers more often than not, require changes - THAT I HAVE SEEN AND EXPERIENCED - to feel the same as when using no wrist device.

Steven wrote on 2/24/2011 9:07 AM:charlest: To your point, I did have some challenges using the Lifter/Optimum when I had a longer span with more reverse thumb pitch. That was all fixed when I migrated to a more relaxed span. I don't consider Ron Clifton's recommendations EXTREMELY relaxed, but instead a good system for span measurement that will keep you in a safe zone and help prevent injury. I suffered terrible elbow tendinitis a few years back, and after going through a tough healing period, I haven't had any issues since using Ron's fitting recommendations. But yes, if you have a more stretched span, it's better to get a checkup with your driller ahead of time before commiting to a new brace.

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charlest · « **Reply #8 on:** February 24, 2011, 09:15:38 AM »

Steven,

I still have to say, based on personal experience, you don't have to have a stretched span for wrist device to require a re-measurement. I think JESSN16's and JJM's experience (I'd bet their feel would have been less "restricting" if their span had been made smaller before using the Lifter.) and mine and many others I have seen, reinforce that. I am not saying everyone needs to have their span changed, but every grip has to be measured the way you throw the ball. My span is relaxed, not stretched but not "relaxed" by a lot. Some devices like the Mongoose Equalizer and Robby's plus, ones with just cloth straps across the palm, usually do not need changes. Devices with metal bars across the palm and severe plastic or metal pieces around the forearm and down the fingers more often than not, require changes - THAT I HAVE SEEN AND EXPERIENCED - to feel the same as when using no wrist device.

I'm not invalidating your experience. Everyone's hand is different.

Steven wrote on 2/24/2011 9:07 AM:charlest: To your point, I did have some challenges using the Lifter/Optimum when I had a longer span with more reverse thumb pitch. That was all fixed when I migrated to a more relaxed span. I don't consider Ron Clifton's recommendations EXTREMELY relaxed, but instead a good system for span measurement that will keep you in a safe zone and help prevent injury. I suffered terrible elbow tendinitis a few years back, and after going through a tough healing period, I haven't had any issues since using Ron's fitting recommendations. But yes, if you have a more stretched span, it's better to get a checkup with your driller ahead of time before commiting to a new brace.

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