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More difficult to bowl: Extremely Dry or Oil
« on: April 23, 2007, 03:53:56 AM »
I have been wondering about this since I started bowling in February. I notice many of you talk about the walled shot and easy house patterns. I bowl in different houses when I get a chance, and invariably find that the most difficult shot is in those houses where the lanes are totally dry.

I have not bowled on "PBA" patterns so I can not speak to them. We have wooden lanes in my house and they do not oil except for league play. If there is oil on the lanes, I can find a shot, and easily average 175 to 180.  This holds true wherever I bowl. If the lanes are dry, as they usually are, I have to work (lofting ball, opening hand, etc.) to average 165, using less aggressive equipment (Desert Heat).

My brothers have been bowling  for years and both average 200+. But, when they come here on our dry lanes, I consistently beat them.  

My question is, for those of you that have bowled the "PBA" patterns, and bowled on extremely dry lanes, what is more difficult. How do the two situations compare in terms of difficulty, and adjustments that have to be made?


 

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Re: More difficult to bowl: Extremely Dry or Oil
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2007, 12:00:38 PM »
From tournament experience the order from hardest to easiest is as follows:

-Reverse Block (nearly impossible)
-US Open Pattern
-PBA Patterns from short to long (at least for me)
-Regional Patterns
-Heavy Oil
-Medium Oil
-THS
-Light/No Oil


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Re: More difficult to bowl: Extremely Dry or Oil
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2007, 12:07:18 PM »
Reverse Block? Is that a block pattern with light oil up front and heavy at the end?

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Re: More difficult to bowl: Extremely Dry or Oil
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2007, 12:12:55 PM »
I feel totally scorched lanes are tougher than any PBA pattern.  When plastic hooks the entire lane then it's hard to score consistantly.

I do feel the reverse block type of patterns are very difficult but can be scored on.  

Flat patterns like the US OPEN are also very difficult patterns.
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Re: More difficult to bowl: Extremely Dry or Oil
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2007, 12:13:06 PM »
For me, extreme dry desert condition on wood lanes have been more difficult.  Wood lanes have more friction, plus they tend to transition more rapidly and unpredictably than synthetic.

I haven't bowled on all the PBA patterns so I can't comment on the difficulty on those.
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Re: More difficult to bowl: Extremely Dry or Oil
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2007, 12:13:37 PM »
No,

Typically reverse block has drier insides and wetter outsides. Whats even worse is when there are several strips of boards of each all across the lane.

If oil is down the lane, that is usually refered to as carry-down


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Re: More difficult to bowl: Extremely Dry or Oil
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2007, 12:17:46 PM »
xtreme dry.

Oil will simply go straight. Hit your target hit the pins where you want.

Reverser block. Get deep enough and you find a shot unless they are walled for the other side.

Flat you can burn a hole.

Bone dry and anything will roll out. Any change in release speed etc are magnified. Try to throw it straight and if you turn it the least little bit it will hook.

The fastest way to kill the super balls is to eliminate oil.

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Re: More difficult to bowl: Extremely Dry or Oil
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2007, 12:20:20 PM »
What makes long reverse blocks nearly impossible is that it is hard to play near the gutter and try to hook from there (will go straight along the gutter if it doesn't go into the gutter down the lane).  If you play inside you will hit dry and hook brookly and then encounter more oil on the left gutter.  Most successful people I see at tournaments are those that play straight or play the twig.  Either way reverse blocks aren't fun and seem to have been created by some sick oil machine guy that never bowled in his/her life.
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Re: More difficult to bowl: Extremely Dry or Oil
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2007, 12:23:07 PM »
I bowled a tournament last year in which the right lane had 9 games bowled on it (team, d&s), and no oil.  The left lane had the same 9 games, but was oiled twice.  Trust me on this, the right lane was much more difficult.  The ball I used on the left lane went in the left ditch at about 35' on the right lane.
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Re: More difficult to bowl: Extremely Dry or Oil
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2007, 12:30:36 PM »
Hardest conditions I've ever bowled on were very old wood lanes with no oil. The ball went into a roll as soon as it hit the lane.
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Re: More difficult to bowl: Extremely Dry or Oil
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2007, 12:48:34 PM »
quote:
From tournament experience the order from hardest to easiest is as follows:

-Reverse Block (nearly impossible)
-US Open Pattern
-PBA Patterns from short to long (at least for me)
-Regional Patterns
-Heavy Oil
-Medium Oil
-THS
-Light/No Oil



Need to jump "Light/No Oil" from the bottom of that list to the top.  To say light/no oil is easier than a THS is crazy.

Bowling on 50-year old wood lanes that haven't been oiled in 5 days is probably the most brutal un-scorable condition I've ever encountered in 20 years of bowling.  I don't care if you take plastic and spin the crap out of it, the ball will not hit...and if you try to get a roll on it, forget it...it will be dead by the time its at the arrows.

Your best bet is if you can loft it 30 feet with an insane amount of speed.  Few of us have that physical ability.

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Re: More difficult to bowl: Extremely Dry or Oil
« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2007, 12:53:38 PM »
quote:
quote:
From tournament experience the order from hardest to easiest is as follows:

-Reverse Block (nearly impossible)
-US Open Pattern
-PBA Patterns from short to long (at least for me)
-Regional Patterns
-Heavy Oil
-Medium Oil
-THS
-Light/No Oil



Need to jump "Light/No Oil" from the bottom of that list to the top.  To say light/no oil is easier than a THS is crazy.

Bowling on 50-year old wood lanes that haven't been oiled in 5 days is probably the most brutal un-scorable condition I've ever encountered in 20 years of bowling.  I don't care if you take plastic and spin the crap out of it, the ball will not hit...and if you try to get a roll on it, forget it...it will be dead by the time its at the arrows.

Your best bet is if you can loft it 30 feet with an insane amount of speed.  Few of us have that physical ability.


In the 9 game tournament I had yesterday, I had the fastest ball speed clocked in at 22.6 mph.  I know what you guys mean by dry wooden lanes.  I guess it should be moved higher.  But with my game, I am able to adjust my ball speed pretty easily.  I am comfortable bowling 15-16 mph, but yesterday I was averaging a little over 20 mph.  I can also loft the ball about 10 feet if I have to.  
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Re: More difficult to bowl: Extremely Dry or Oil
« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2007, 12:54:50 PM »
There is nothing more difficult than very dry.

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Re: More difficult to bowl: Extremely Dry or Oil
« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2007, 12:57:00 PM »
dry is the toughest as far as I am concerened, oil I have no problems with,but dry I would rather have the PBA Patterns than a dry THS.
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Re: More difficult to bowl: Extremely Dry or Oil
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2007, 12:59:17 PM »
No oil is definitely the most difficult.  Often it is impossible to get your ball to the pocket with proper roll using your normal release.  Even equipment designed to hook very little (plastic balls etc), will burn up on the driest conditions.  On the other hand, with extreme oil, you can at least get to the pocket with your normal release (doesn't mean the ball won't still be skidding).  And there always seems to be a ball (and/or surface) you can use to get at least a little reaction.  I can't honestly say that I have ever bowled on a condition where I wasn't able to get at least some sort of ball reaction (including the night when the mechanic filled the stripped tank with lane oil).  

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