Post by: ccrider on April 23, 2007, 03:53:56 AM
I have not bowled on "PBA" patterns so I can not speak to them. We have wooden lanes in my house and they do not oil except for league play. If there is oil on the lanes, I can find a shot, and easily average 175 to 180. This holds true wherever I bowl. If the lanes are dry, as they usually are, I have to work (lofting ball, opening hand, etc.) to average 165, using less aggressive equipment (Desert Heat).
My brothers have been bowling for years and both average 200+. But, when they come here on our dry lanes, I consistently beat them.
My question is, for those of you that have bowled the "PBA" patterns, and bowled on extremely dry lanes, what is more difficult. How do the two situations compare in terms of difficulty, and adjustments that have to be made?
Post by: Necromancer on April 23, 2007, 12:00:38 PM
-Reverse Block (nearly impossible)
-US Open Pattern
-PBA Patterns from short to long (at least for me)
-Regional Patterns
-Heavy Oil
-Medium Oil
-THS
-Light/No Oil
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Post by: ccrider on April 23, 2007, 12:07:18 PM
Post by: chitown on April 23, 2007, 12:12:55 PM
I do feel the reverse block type of patterns are very difficult but can be scored on.
Flat patterns like the US OPEN are also very difficult patterns.
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Post by: dpunky on April 23, 2007, 12:13:06 PM
I haven't bowled on all the PBA patterns so I can't comment on the difficulty on those.
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Post by: Djarum on April 23, 2007, 12:13:37 PM
Typically reverse block has drier insides and wetter outsides. Whats even worse is when there are several strips of boards of each all across the lane.
If oil is down the lane, that is usually refered to as carry-down
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Post by: JoeBowler on April 23, 2007, 12:17:46 PM
Oil will simply go straight. Hit your target hit the pins where you want.
Reverser block. Get deep enough and you find a shot unless they are walled for the other side.
Flat you can burn a hole.
Bone dry and anything will roll out. Any change in release speed etc are magnified. Try to throw it straight and if you turn it the least little bit it will hook.
The fastest way to kill the super balls is to eliminate oil.
Post by: Necromancer on April 23, 2007, 12:20:20 PM
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Post by: Ragnar on April 23, 2007, 12:23:07 PM
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Post by: Musky300 on April 23, 2007, 12:48:34 PM
quote:
From tournament experience the order from hardest to easiest is as follows:
-Reverse Block (nearly impossible)
-US Open Pattern
-PBA Patterns from short to long (at least for me)
-Regional Patterns
-Heavy Oil
-Medium Oil
-THS
-Light/No Oil
Need to jump "Light/No Oil" from the bottom of that list to the top. To say light/no oil is easier than a THS is crazy.
Bowling on 50-year old wood lanes that haven't been oiled in 5 days is probably the most brutal un-scorable condition I've ever encountered in 20 years of bowling. I don't care if you take plastic and spin the crap out of it, the ball will not hit...and if you try to get a roll on it, forget it...it will be dead by the time its at the arrows.
Your best bet is if you can loft it 30 feet with an insane amount of speed. Few of us have that physical ability.
Post by: Necromancer on April 23, 2007, 12:53:38 PM
quote:quote:
From tournament experience the order from hardest to easiest is as follows:
-Reverse Block (nearly impossible)
-US Open Pattern
-PBA Patterns from short to long (at least for me)
-Regional Patterns
-Heavy Oil
-Medium Oil
-THS
-Light/No Oil
Need to jump "Light/No Oil" from the bottom of that list to the top. To say light/no oil is easier than a THS is crazy.
Bowling on 50-year old wood lanes that haven't been oiled in 5 days is probably the most brutal un-scorable condition I've ever encountered in 20 years of bowling. I don't care if you take plastic and spin the crap out of it, the ball will not hit...and if you try to get a roll on it, forget it...it will be dead by the time its at the arrows.
Your best bet is if you can loft it 30 feet with an insane amount of speed. Few of us have that physical ability.
In the 9 game tournament I had yesterday, I had the fastest ball speed clocked in at 22.6 mph. I know what you guys mean by dry wooden lanes. I guess it should be moved higher. But with my game, I am able to adjust my ball speed pretty easily. I am comfortable bowling 15-16 mph, but yesterday I was averaging a little over 20 mph. I can also loft the ball about 10 feet if I have to.
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Post by: Ishmael on April 23, 2007, 12:54:50 PM
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Post by: nospareball on April 23, 2007, 02:31:52 PM
I've encountered it a few times in open play and it's a waste of money to shoot on. Everything rolls out at the arrows. Try to swing it gutter to gutter and it's got nothing left after 30 feet and never makes it back. Try straighter and it's in the left gutter at 40ft. The only way I can even bowl on that condition is to pick up a house ball and try to throw as straight as I can and forget about carry and just pick up spares as best I can.
Post by: zone on April 23, 2007, 02:42:22 PM
being a cranker u have to stand in the other persons lane, loft the ball past the arrows, get it out to the one board, and hope u dont leave a 10pin. well thats the way i used to go about it. i got a lane #1 clear blue diamond now. it carries really well when there is very very little to NO OIL AT ALL on the lane. so now the dry dry dry doesnt make me cry cry cry anyone.
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Post by: cnimsk on April 23, 2007, 02:47:24 PM
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Post by: ccrider on April 23, 2007, 05:41:23 PM
Being a beginner, with very little hand in the ball, I have an advantage over my brothers who have been bowling for years, and are closer to strokers.
I can easily come straight up the back of the ball and reduce the reaction. They have trouble doing this effectively and consistently. While I like to see them throwing the big hook and at one time that was my goal, I am beginning to think that hooking the ball across the lane is overrated ---just another shot that a solid bowler needs to have in his arsenal.
Edited on 4/23/2007 5:41 PM
Post by: novawagonmaster on April 23, 2007, 06:56:53 PM
These days, bone dry is the most difficult for me. If plastic is rolling out at the arrows, it's just a matter of moving all the way outside and trying to get some angle into the pocket. Carry is going to be the biggest issue.
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Post by: Scolai on April 23, 2007, 07:15:22 PM
quote:
From tournament experience the order from hardest to easiest is as follows:
-Reverse Block (nearly impossible)
-US Open Pattern
-PBA Patterns from short to long (at least for me)
-Regional Patterns
-Heavy Oil
-Medium Oil
-THS
-Light/No Oil
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Honestly, I would have to put sport conditions near the top and the T of C shot in there somewhere.
I've bowled a reverse block. It's tough, but not impossible. Shorter PBA patterns are easy, but Shark pattern (old PBA Pattern B) is very particular due to the length and volume of oil. Under league conditions, I can always throw a spare ball if the lanes are dry, and I can throw rockets if the lanes are flooded. I love a good THS for open play in a new house - it's good for the ego when I average 245 or so. And people love to gather and watch, which makes ambassadorship for the game a lot easier.
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Post by: BrianCRX90 on April 23, 2007, 10:33:09 PM
Big time flood I'm screwed if I am forced to play in or deep and can't get the ball past 15 at the break.