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todvan

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More flare = what ball response?
« on: August 03, 2015, 03:20:37 PM »
If you have 2 balls, 1 flares more than the other, and all else is equal - what difference is there in ball reaction?

Does more flare cause the ball to hook and roll sooner than the other?

Does more flare cause the ball to cover more boards than the other?

Does more flare cause the ball to burn up (lose energy) sooner than the other?

All of the above or something else?

Thanks!!
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Re: More flare = what ball response?
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2015, 03:45:08 PM »
IF everything else is equal, more flare means earlier and more hook. Flare = hook POTENTIAL. Under ideal conditions it means more board coverage. If the cover is too strong for the conditions, it will burn up and roll out. Don't even think about using that information with different covers, or probably cores. Like the RG discussion a few days ago, flare means little by itself.
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michelle

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Re: More flare = what ball response?
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2015, 01:01:56 PM »
at its most basic level, more flare means more clean surface of the ball hitting the lane...that could lead to early burn as it expends energy too quickly on a shorter pattern OR it could result in nice movement in the back with sufficient retained energy to allow the ball to work.  You could also see anything in between those extremes...
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Re: More flare = what ball response?
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2015, 04:48:32 PM »
In my opinion it depends on how much flare you start with.

The advantage of flare is to expose ball surface that doesn't have lane conditioner on it. Once you have enough flare that each track of the ball is separate then no additional reaction is gained by increasing the separation between the tracks.

In fact if you get too much flare the ball will try to flare over gripping holes.

Columbia 300 made a ball (After Shock I believe was the name) with so much flare potential the track would go almost around the ball clipping finger and thumb holes along the way, if you drilled it to maximize the flare.
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Re: More flare = what ball response?
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2015, 06:51:50 PM »
My Aftershock Pearl was siiiiiiick.

I drilled a Ebonite Savage rev leverage (back in the day!) with a large low hole, about a 4 inch pin to pap, and the thing flared like mad. 2.52 0.055 and the thing was a monster. I used it on heavy patterns that were less than 43 feet. Cover got it thru the fronts, and the thing would just move out of this world on the back. Kinda miss that ball lol!
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Re: More flare = what ball response?
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2015, 07:03:18 PM »
If you work at Chotchkie's, more "flare" will keep the boss off your back.  ;D
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Re: More flare = what ball response?
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2015, 08:15:30 PM »
Quote from: milorafferty on August 04, 2015, 07:03:18 PM
If you work at Chotchkie's, more "flare" will keep the boss off your back.  ;D

15 pieces is the minimum.
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Re: More flare = what ball response?
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2015, 08:40:08 AM »
Quote from: Impending Doom on August 04, 2015, 08:15:30 PM
Quote from: milorafferty on August 04, 2015, 07:03:18 PM
If you work at Chotchkie's, more "flare" will keep the boss off your back.  ;D

15 pieces is the minimum.

But do you REALLY want to just do the bare minimum?
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Re: More flare = what ball response?
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2015, 08:45:20 AM »
Quote from: michelle on August 05, 2015, 08:40:08 AM
Quote from: Impending Doom on August 04, 2015, 08:15:30 PM
Quote from: milorafferty on August 04, 2015, 07:03:18 PM
If you work at Chotchkie's, more "flare" will keep the boss off your back.  ;D

15 pieces is the minimum.

But do you REALLY want to just do the bare minimum?

Well, I thought I remembered everyone saying that they wanted to express themselves.
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Re: More flare = what ball response?
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2015, 09:33:23 AM »
Quote from: Good Times Good Times on August 05, 2015, 08:45:20 AM
Quote from: michelle on August 05, 2015, 08:40:08 AM
Quote from: Impending Doom on August 04, 2015, 08:15:30 PM
Quote from: milorafferty on August 04, 2015, 07:03:18 PM
If you work at Chotchkie's, more "flare" will keep the boss off your back.  ;D

15 pieces is the minimum.

But do you REALLY want to just do the bare minimum?

Well, I thought I remembered everyone saying that they wanted to express themselves.

Here's me, expressing MYSELF!
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TWOHAND834

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Re: More flare = what ball response?
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2015, 09:56:07 AM »
Quote from: todvan on August 03, 2015, 03:20:37 PM
If you have 2 balls, 1 flares more than the other, and all else is equal - what difference is there in ball reaction?

Does more flare cause the ball to hook and roll sooner than the other?

Does more flare cause the ball to cover more boards than the other?

Does more flare cause the ball to burn up (lose energy) sooner than the other?

All of the above or something else?

Thanks!!

It depends on the RG of the core.  If the RG is 2.50, the ball more than likely will be earlier and smoother.  If a ball like the Cyclones and Freezes with RGs in the high 2.5s with the .050 diff, are going to be more skid flip. 
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Re: More flare = what ball response?
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2015, 04:31:25 PM »
That explains it all right there
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Re: More flare = what ball response?
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2015, 04:42:20 PM »
Response is in terms to how quickly a cover responds to friction...some are slower and some are quicker...this is dictated by cover strength and amt of surface grit...a slower response is a smoother transition from oil to friction and quicker is one that transitions faster or more noticeably
Flare can definitely enhance the response phase...more flare or wider separation gaps slows the response time and less flare separation or tighter rings quickens the response time
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Re: More flare = what ball response?
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2015, 07:28:03 PM »
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Re: More flare = what ball response?
« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2015, 11:09:49 AM »
Quote from: JustRico on August 05, 2015, 04:42:20 PM
Response is in terms to how quickly a cover responds to friction...some are slower and some are quicker...this is dictated by cover strength and amt of surface grit...a slower response is a smoother transition from oil to friction and quicker is one that transitions faster or more noticeably
Flare can definitely enhance the response phase...more flare or wider separation gaps slows the response time and less flare separation or tighter rings quickens the response time

I thought is was opposite.  Less flare equals slower response and more flare has faster response.  More flare = more friction.  Isn't than why dry lanes balls are mostly low flare?
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