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SrKegler

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more tumb problems
« on: February 11, 2005, 02:51:15 AM »
I'm at a loss.

Keep tearing the shin off the outside of my thumb, right on the knuckle.

Span is around 4 1/4.  Currently 1/4 reverse, 3/8th under.  I've tried about every combination from 0-0 to 3/8 x 3/8.

Coke can test has my thumb pointing towards the ring finger.

Can anyone give me a close starting point.  About the only thing that helps is putting chapstick on the thumb.  After a couple of games it either bcomes too slick and I drop it or it dries out and hangs up.
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jimensminger

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Re: more tumb problems
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2005, 11:03:00 AM »
rule of thumb,..no pun intended,..I always thought was move the pitch toward the hurt. Also if you have tried everything with the pitches,..the new skin tapes that are out are great..
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Re: more tumb problems
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2005, 11:07:33 AM »
SrKegler
Drill one 3/8 forward on the thumb. You can keep your 3/8 under.
Relax your hand and let it fly.
Ron Clifton
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Re: more tumb problems
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2005, 10:14:54 PM »
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Dont put your pitch anymore reverse because I tried that before and had to grip the hell out of the ball.  I would suggest more foward pitch.  Most old pro shop guys will tell you not to do it but tell them you want to try it any way.  It takes a couple of games to get used to it but you will be gald you did.  I would suggest buying a white dot so you can try many different drill layouts with out ruining a new ball.  You can plug and redrill a white a hundred times and it wont effect the ball if you use it for spares.


Just because this applies to you does not mean it applies to him. Everybody is different, and the experiences you have might be way different for someone else.

People all the time say "never drill left lateral for a righty." Well, I have 1/8 reverse, 1/8 away (span of 4 7/8 by 4 7/8, 1/8 reverse in fingers). I am very comfortable with it the way it is now, and would not change it. The only reason you should change your grip is if you are having pain, until you get to the 220-230 range, where changes in grip can help affect your release and such to give you a desired reaction.


Now, after clearing all that up, I used to have the same problem. I didn't quite "knuckle" the ball, even though all my drillers told me i did, but i just bent my thumb slightly. The one thing that helped break me of this was ron c's magic carpet. This allows me to put my thumb in straight without fear that the ball will fall off or that it won't come out. I also put some white tape in the front to improve grip. Try out the thumbillow also, as this can help solve the issue. Thumbillow is a little bit slicker, and I found i had to grip the ball some.

The only problem with magic carpet is you get so used to the feel, you can never go back to throwing without it, it just feels so terrible! I know that ron says there is an initial break in period, but I did not experience this whatsoever, and never do when i put new carpet it. Hope this helps!
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charlest

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Re: more tumb problems
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2005, 05:52:55 AM »
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SrKegler
Drill one 3/8 forward on the thumb. You can keep your 3/8 under.
Relax your hand and let it fly.
Ron Clifton


Ron,

Are you suggesting he go from 1/4" reverse to 3/8" forward pitch in his thumb hole drilling?
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Re: more tumb problems
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2005, 01:40:31 PM »
You heard him right....I moved my from 0" to 3/8" forward after working with Ron.  I'm thinking of going 5/8" on my next one...
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« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2005, 02:20:43 PM »
SrKegler,

I had the same problem and resolved it with putting the new tapes around the top o my thumb. I used the 2 inch wide tape from Turbo 2N1 company. You drape your thumb from the inside up and around the outside of the thumb. You need a tight fit for this to work and you will never never have a sticking thumb. Always a clean release. If at any time it is to loose then cut a small piece and put it on the side of the thumb over the tape you all ready have. This is much better than putting tape inside the thumb hole. Avoids cleaning the thumb hole because of the sticky glue from the tape left behind when you took it out.

This system protects your thumb all around always.


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charlest

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Re: more tumb problems
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2005, 03:51:05 PM »
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You heard him right....I moved my from 0" to 3/8" forward after working with Ron.  I'm thinking of going 5/8" on my next one...


It wasn't the move to less reverse or to forward pitch that I was questioning, it was the large amount. Most people recommend maximum transitions of 1/8" at a time. This is 5/8" at one time. That's a huge change and will necessitate an equally huge change in span. I went from 3/8" reverse to 1/8" reverse and have stayed there for the past year' I may yet try another change of 1/8" to 0".
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Re: more tumb problems
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2005, 07:00:50 PM »
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You heard him right....I moved my from 0" to 3/8" forward after working with Ron.  I'm thinking of going 5/8" on my next one...


It wasn't the move to less reverse or to forward pitch that I was questioning, it was the large amount. Most people recommend maximum transitions of 1/8" at a time. This is 5/8" at one time. That's a huge change and will necessitate an equally huge change in span. I went from 3/8" reverse to 1/8" reverse and have stayed there for the past year' I may yet try another change of 1/8" to 0".
I, too, thought it my be a HUGE difference.  After trying Ron's set ups with 3/8", 1/2" and 5/8" forward, I realized my realease could handle that big a change.  If you're a big squeezer, you might take one in the forehead until you get used to it.  For me it was more like finding the feel I'd always been looking for, so it was no biggie to make that jump.
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« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2005, 08:33:28 PM »
Well, any test not properly administered can produce false results. The fact is that no matter what the results of the test is, you need to listen to your thumb. It is telling you that there is too much rubbing on one side. Tp resolve, move the pitch in the direction of rubbing. Forget the rules as you understand them. Simply do it. Then once you resolve the problem try to understand why after.

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