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ddfitch

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more young guns in leagues now???
« on: May 06, 2005, 08:49:45 PM »
Has anyone noticed over the last few seasons more youth leagues forming and more younger competitors in mens leagues now?  i look around my house and see more and more younger bowlers with more athletic talent and better training raising the level of play in our leagues.  This is good overall for the house as there are more honor scores shot and this attracts more bowlers keeping our leagues full up.  I'm just wondering aloud if my house is the only place this seems to be happening and also could these younger athletes driving up the scores be causing USBC to make some of their suggestions as to ways to keep scoring in check???  I enjoy watching some of these young guns and enjoy the challenge of shooting against them and I see it as a plus that we have a lot of diversity in our leagues.  It's great that there is a lot of knowledge to be gained and with the diverse group we have it would seem that everybody has someone to relate to that can help with their game.

 

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Re: more young guns in leagues now???
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2005, 06:09:46 AM »
Most of the young guns in my local houses that have moved into men's adult leagues know how to stand left and throw right very well on the THS conditions, but if they have to move inside and/or shoot spares all night their scores diminish significantly. I've seen a lot of these young guns try to the sport shot league in my local area and their 210-220 averages drop to 160-170 because they not only throw less strikes, they can't pick up half their spares...

That's my take on things up here in my neck of the woods, although I think the youth program has been improving.

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Re: more young guns in leagues now???
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2005, 06:13:12 AM »
I'd like to agree with Matt on this one.  I see them, but these kids wouldn't know what to do without a wall and can't pick up spares that there should be little reason for missing.
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Re: more young guns in leagues now???
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2005, 06:33:56 AM »
Now I'm a youth bowler and I want to stand up for these "young guns" you are talking about. Maybe the reason they can't score well on a sport condition is that they don't have the experience and mental game needed. I know I'm am an okay bowler of 14, but I won't do great on sport conditions until I really begin to practice on them. My average at the moment on a THS is a 197 and 201. I'm going to tell the truth that I only average in the 170 to 180 range on sport conditions. Just my two cents.
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Re: more young guns in leagues now???
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2005, 06:38:56 AM »
DDFITCH .. I agree with you. This past winter season I was in two MIXED ADULT leagues and there were a number of NEW FACES that were throwing STRONG balls. I've seen them miss some easy spares but it didn't seem to effect their GREAT averages. Appeared like there were more STRIKES that came from balls I thought wouldn't hit the HEAD then SPARES missed!

My other observation was that these two winter leagues were in the same CENTER but the NEW YOUNG BOWLERS were all different people. Once these bowlers join MULTIPLE leagues we are going to have FULL COMPETITIVE HOUSES every night.

GOOD TO SEE!


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Re: more young guns in leagues now???
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2005, 09:09:16 AM »
I'm still in Juniors myself, but I thought I'd throw my words out on this one.  I bowl in tournaments about once a month, because it's pretty much all we have in Juniors here without having to travel forever.  Anyways, in these tournaments, it seems consistant tournament after tournament that the people that are averaging well and making the cut are missing a lot of easy spares.  Every tournament, I see more whiffs then Michael Jordan's baseball career.

It's just amazing how tournament after tournament, the people that are making the cut aren't the ones that are picking every spare, or getting the best count in split situations or anything like that.  And elaborating on that, most of the people with higher averages around here can't tell you where they hit at the arrows and at their breakpoint.


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Re: more young guns in leagues now???
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2005, 09:25:11 AM »
I just started about a year ago and I have a 187 average. I have put up 254 678 in my league. There are also quite a few just like me in terms of just starting out.
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Re: more young guns in leagues now???
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2005, 09:33:27 AM »
i'm seeing more younger players that have moved up from juniors but i'm not seeing good younger players. many are clueless about spare shooting and changing lines and angles when the "shot" isn't like they're used to.

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Re: more young guns in leagues now???
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2005, 09:38:15 AM »
I really have been practicing alot lately on making my spares and am really curious to try the sport shot. I know that just because I play fairly well on a house shot does not mean I will have success on sport. That is just one more thing I will practice until I am good at it. Im willing to go the extra mile to play well everywhere I may go. 99% of the bowlers in my league will never succeed on sport but I know a few that could if they practiced.
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Re: more young guns in leagues now???
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2005, 04:25:01 PM »
HUSSMAN .. I happen to agree with you!
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Re: more young guns in leagues now???
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2005, 04:29:49 PM »
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I do think that young people's success is a big part of the reason for the USBC's proposal, but I feel it is a futile attempt by older bowlers to stay at the top of the game.


Being a younger bowler (still in Junior's) I would have to say that this is a false statement. I don't think the USBC's proposal is an attempt by older bowlers to stay at the top. In case you haven't been looking lately, not all, but some older bowlers are complaining about these proposals right with the young bowlers. I feel that the proposals by the USBC are not aimed at taking younger bowlers out of competition with older bowlers, but in showing that you can still bowl perfectly well without a ball that has 4 holes in and hooks across 3 lanes.
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Re: more young guns in leagues now???
« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2005, 08:11:51 AM »
Glad to see I'm not the only one noticing the influx of younger talent.  I think that it is great that we raise the level of play, so I like bowling against you younger guys..   hell I ain't that old I'm only 33...  anyway... I do notice that some of the younger players do stuggle a bit on what should be easy spares (read tenpins)  BUT seem to overcome that by carrying more strikes...  Call it what you want... more practice, better training...  coaching..  etc...  I know that you will see younger bowlers spending more time working on their game than older ones..  for the most part anyway...  when I do see young guys practice though, I never seen them shooting spares...  it's just set up a rack and knock it down on the THS.  rarely do I see them request a sport pattern or specifically practice spare shooting...  I bowl in multiple leagues myself, but don't throw 30-40 games...  I don't have any dreams of making it big in the PBA.  I just wanna win a few brackets and raise my average a stick or two.  I like to throw a couple games a week of just knocking down the 10 pin or the 7 pin.  if you see me throwing  a lot of stike balls in practice it's because I'm either learning new equipment or shooting sport shot.  I don't see a lot of other people put in extra practice time besides the 10 minutes of shadow balls...  (except the young guns of course)

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Re: more young guns in leagues now???
« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2005, 09:20:23 AM »
I went adult when I was 17, I should of stayed one more year as a junior, but I felt my game needed a challange.  Kind of funny, my best apponent was Andrew  Cain.  Some of you may know him, but its funny to say I needed a challange when Andrew Cain was there.  But I felt it was more mental work than physical, and the only way to get this was to bowl against some drunks ( thats what I called adults back then ) and find out how to make my mental game better.  

I was in for a rude awakening, it wasnt what I expected.  These guys that I thought were drunks, HA!  This guy who average 180-some, played with my head so bad!  He even told me my game was junk!  I had to rethink it, and I found out why he said that.  

I see this problem with lots of Juniors.  All we ever wanted to do was throw the biggest hook and try to score doing it, and I'm speaking as if I was a junior.  Yea, the ball looks pretty, and makes heads turn, but I didn't do all that well in tournaments.  I bowled Vegas, San Diego, Bunches in Phoenix, and of course in Tucson being where Im from.  If I would of Learn to hit a mark and try to be consistant, I would of been a bad-ass!  But I had to be the one with the biggest bend.  

I've learned now that the less hit you have, the better bowler you are going to be.  Im not saying you dont have to hit the ball, you can still good hit, just need to learn to control it, and I see that alot with junior bowlers, even from my time.  If for anyone that is a junior right now, and wants to be the best, look at your game, and I mean take a look and see how you can make it better, and easier on yourself.

Its wierd I thought I was a hot shot coming out of juniors, and it took me only a couple of weeks to find out that I wasn't as good as I thought I was.  Today, my brother is a collegite bowler ( soon to be for Wichita State ) and says my game would be perfect for the PBA.                            



Junior bowlers, stay untill your 21, suck up the FREE scholarship money that they basically give out, and enjoy it as much as you can.  I wish there was scholarships back in my time like there is now.  I might have gone to school, and probably be a much better bowler much sooner.  Learn from your peers, and take it to heart.
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Re: more young guns in leagues now???
« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2005, 04:04:39 PM »
CENTERS .. I'm proud of you .. FANTASTIC advise!
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Re: more young guns in leagues now???
« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2005, 07:45:01 PM »
i see many juniors "practicing" but their concentration level isn't what it should be----many spend more time looking at brand new balls in the pro shop or getting candy bars out of the vending machine than going and practicing with a real plan of attack. last summer a junior player i know well practiced with me three times a week. i would bowl eight games without stopping and put everything into every shot---both mentally and physically. i would be drenched with sweat but knew my hard work would pay off in leagues and tournaments in the fall. i had my best year ever----becaused i worked hard and had the desire to improve. on the other hand, "tyler" bolwed about three games in the time i took me to bowl eight. he only got three games in because he spent time in the pro shop, getting candy bars in the vending machine, watching tv in the lounge, etc. he wanted to improve but wasn't willing to do what it took to improve.

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