Author Topic: MOTION hole believers? (Read 9705 times)

2handedrook12 · « **on:** March 30, 2015, 11:09:08 PM »

Anyone believe in the MO hole?

avabob · « **Reply #16 on:** April 01, 2015, 06:44:03 PM »

No question the so called motion hole impacts static weight. That is why we always called them balance holes, even when we weren't using them for balance, but to create a different roll. My first experience with holes was using axis holes on a pancake block Black U Dot, and Black Angle. It definitely smoothed out the break point, although those balls already had a smooth look by todays standards.

I have also used extra holes on two piece balls, both symmetrical and asymmetrical. The impact of those holes seems to vary considerably depending on the core structure of the ball. Little impact on asymmetricals. Noticeable impact on some symmetrical layouts, but less so on others. Extra holes clearly impact static weight, but can impact dynamic balance of some balls also.

kidlost2000 · « **Reply #17 on:** April 01, 2015, 07:38:17 PM »

Quote from: TWOHAND834 on March 31, 2015, 07:25:08 AM

You know the irony of the MO hole? Years ago when he came out with the Awesome Hook and Seek and Destroy; he mentioned that he didn't understand why people want such skid/flip reactions unless they like shooting at back row pins all night. Now he comes out with a hole that increases the skid/flip reaction. Years ago you had to have the midlane read in order to have a high carry percentage and skid/flip would result in a lower carry percentage. So wonder why he would come out with something that increases the angularity and entry angle.

But to answer your question; yes it does work. My pro shop guy did an LT-48 with one and he said he saw about 2-3 boards more hook on the backend.

It isn't irony it is sales and hypocrisy. He also stated at one time while under Morich that there was no need in symmetric core bowling balls. Todays oils, and todays conditions, for todays bowlers need.....ASYMMETRIC core balls. Then eventually they started coming out with symmetric core balls using recycled Brunswick overseas cores. I guess todays changed back to yesterday?

In reference to your statement about increased backends ect the same things comes up in the Guru video. Some of the other balls hooked sooner and struck........BUT......the Guru was longer and stronger....wait for it........creating better entry for carry.

I've seen it several times on bowlingchat where he says things contradicting himself depending on which idea, or product he is wanting to push.

It is a business and I get that, but you lose credibility with me when you do that because there is no longer any reason to trust what they are saying. If it varies depending on if it is truth or a sell then I will look else where.

Aloarjr810 · « **Reply #18 on:** April 01, 2015, 08:23:11 PM »

Quote from: kidlost2000 on April 01, 2015, 07:38:17 PM

It isn't irony it is sales and hypocrisy. He also stated at one time while under Morich that there was no need in symmetric core bowling balls. Todays oils, and todays conditions, for todays bowlers need.....ASYMMETRIC core balls. Then eventually they started coming out with symmetric core balls using recycled Brunswick overseas cores. I guess todays changed back to yesterday?

In reference to your statement about increased backends ect the same things comes up in the Guru video. Some of the other balls hooked sooner and struck........BUT......the Guru was longer and stronger....wait for it........creating better entry for carry.

I've seen it several times on bowlingchat where he says things contradicting himself depending on which idea, or product he is wanting to push.

It is a business and I get that, but you lose credibility with me when you do that because there is no longer any reason to trust what they are saying. If it varies depending on if it is truth or a sell then I will look else where.

Two more for this list:

Years back I read a comment (I think it was in one of the early BTM's) where he was talking about Mass Bias when it was just starting to be talked about and said it was nothing but marketing and basically didn't do anything. Now look at it.

or a couple of year ago the thoughts on the word "continuation"

quote:
"It's marketing, man. Marketing is another word for lying, on occasion. It's BULL PUCKY!"

Then after a move to Radical and a new core design:

"It creates more continuation in our lowest price point, BETTER VALUE!"

and continuation was defined
Continuation is a longer, more gradual hook. That is not related to the total amount of the change of direction of the ball. Which could have a affect on entry angle.

kidlost2000 · « **Reply #19 on:** April 01, 2015, 08:35:25 PM »

NICE!!!! I wish I could remember a few of the others I had read before i stopped going to bc so much. I know he knows and has done a lot in terms of bowling. More then I will ever begin to. I also know just enough not to fall for some bull$hit because I remember your previous statements on the subject when $$$ wasn't at stake.

Aloarjr810 · « **Reply #20 on:** April 01, 2015, 09:06:21 PM »

Yes he has the knowing of a great many things, Sometimes I wonder though if it's something like :

"It's marketing if I didn't think of it first and it's no longer marketing once I've improved on it."

tuckinfenpin · « **Reply #21 on:** April 02, 2015, 07:12:27 AM »

My opinion:

If you have used a MOtion hole and like it - use them. If you have used and do not like - don't use them. If you have never tried one, make an informed decision and try it or not.

I have never used one, and I am not opposed to trying one. My thoughts because one thing I have not consistently heard is a negative impact on the ball performance.

hammajangs · « **Reply #22 on:** April 02, 2015, 01:53:18 PM »

I had this done on a blue/blue 900 Global Hook. I really liked the reaction, but it seemed to be more condition specific. Very long, very strong, sharp back-end reaction. I haven't thrown it in a while after playing with the cover and couldn't find a surface adjustment that would work well. I think I'm going to try it again just for fun.

luv2C10falll · « **Reply #23 on:** April 02, 2015, 03:00:35 PM »

I punched up a Freakin Frantic with the layout suggested .I rolled it on a fresh house shot. Then took it into my friends pro shop and drilled a 1" hole 4" deep and took it back out to the same lane I was just on.I saw a increase of 4/5 boards,all on the back end of the lane

Polish_Hammer · « **Reply #24 on:** April 02, 2015, 03:05:44 PM »

My take is this: It's not a belief or magic that the hole Motion hole changes the ball motion it is physics. Are there multiple ways to create (drill) or "buy" a particular ball motion? Yes of course. I have used it on a hammer low flare and for me it keeps that symetrical ball from rolling out too early and arcing longer (continuation). It gives me a motion different than my other low flare and some of my asymetrical snappy motion balls. Is all the hype a little bit of marketing? Of course.

avabob · « **Reply #25 on:** April 02, 2015, 06:48:10 PM »

Back when the first core heavy symetrics came out ( Cuda C, Piranha C ), I was drilling leverage weight which required a so called motion hole. What I noticed most was when I tried to flatten my shot out for shooting 10 pins. The ball still wanted to tip on the back end more than a straight up drilling on burned up patterns. We would call it continuation today. The stronger your release in terms of revs, the less you see the impact of these holes, but us lower rev guys can see it more.

Strapper_Squared · « **Reply #26 on:** April 02, 2015, 07:01:40 PM »

On the right conditions, the reaction can't be beat. This seems to work best (for me) on broken down conditions where I'm able to get inside a little and open up. I've thrown 3 300s over the year and a half with a wrecker with a motion hole. I had 2 in my previous 25+ years bowling...

Scott

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