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Motiv SX-1 Video = LOL
« on: December 29, 2008, 02:14:29 PM »
I remember a bunch of people on this site were all impressed by the color of this ball and immediately thought it was awesome with "i need to get that ball" or "that ball looks awesome".  

Even with Buddies misleading bowling videos, nothing is mislead with this POS ball:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knsyrmIkMz0

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Re: Motiv SX-1 Video = LOL
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2008, 10:23:10 PM »
Looks horrible.

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Re: Motiv SX-1 Video = LOL
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2008, 10:28:26 PM »
There are a bunch of light hits in that video, which could be solved if the thrower of said shots would move right a pinch. What I got from that video was a ball that carried well and had a very smooth, controllable look -- and if anything, it made me want one, not the opposite. That's a look I would KILL to have some nights when I keep moving left, moving left, and going through the face.

Good rolling ball, appeared to carry very well, and appeared to be very controllable -- what's not to like? The biggest screw-up a lot of bowlers are making right now is to think they have to have the absolute biggest-hooking ball they can find when in reality, they need something a lot tamer. If more guys would go to milder equipment, particularly on THS, their scores would go out the roof. I quit building my arsenal around super-angular stuff a couple of years ago in favor of smoother equipment and I'm kicking myself for not having done it five years earlier.

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Re: Motiv SX-1 Video = LOL
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2008, 10:31:11 PM »
Man that thing sucks it rolls down the lane and knocks pins down.

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Re: Motiv SX-1 Video = LOL
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2008, 10:33:04 PM »
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Looks horrible.

Agreed!

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There are a bunch of light hits in that video, which could be solved if the thrower of said shots would move right a pinch. What I got from that video was a ball that carried well and had a very smooth, controllable look -- and if anything, it made me want one, not the opposite. That's a look I would KILL to have some nights when I keep moving left, moving left, and going through the face.

Good rolling ball, appeared to carry very well, and appeared to be very controllable -- what's not to like? The biggest screw-up a lot of bowlers are making right now is to think they have to have the absolute biggest-hooking ball they can find when in reality, they need something a lot tamer. If more guys would go to milder equipment, particularly on THS, their scores would go out the roof. I quit building my arsenal around super-angular stuff a couple of years ago in favor of smoother equipment and I'm kicking myself for not having done it five years earlier.

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Edited on 12/29/2008 11:29 PM

First of all, Buddies uses probably the easiest THS in the entire world.  Comparing the bowler in the video to other balls that he has tested and this ball looks like garbage.  I still prefer the robot method to see true difference but basically that ball is barely making it back to the pocket at a decent angle.  Add some oil to the lane or even carrydown and that ball ain't coming back.  Be prepared to leave lots of nasty spares.  I wouldn't be surprised if you had to shoot the 5 pin all night for spares.
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Re: Motiv SX-1 Video = LOL
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2008, 10:37:01 PM »
Looks like a desirable reaction to me. Just adjust to help the hit of it.
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Re: Motiv SX-1 Video = LOL
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2008, 10:37:33 PM »
Alright, it may not be an absolute "hook in a box" ball, but for the price, you should see a little more performance than that.  

That ball rolled down the lane and puked on the backend every single shot. I was waiting for it to make its move the entire video and it never did.  

I doubt that ball would carry well had the tester moved right because the entry angle screams flat 10.

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Re: Motiv SX-1 Video = LOL
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2008, 10:41:23 PM »
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Alright, it may not be an absolute "hook in a box" ball, but for the price, you should see a little more performance than that.  

That ball rolled down the lane and puked on the backend every single shot. I was waiting for it to make its move the entire video and it never did.  

I doubt that ball would carry well had the tester moved right because the entry angle screams flat 10.

Winner!  People need to understand that when you look at Buddies videos, you need to look for a ball that reacts strong on that lane because in your leagues where there is oil or in tournaments the reaction will be like 50% of that.  Chris Forry tries out several balls so just compare this Motiv reaction to other popular companies.  You can clearly see the difference in reaction on the last 20 feet.  Forget about the first 40 feet.  Real balls that are worth the price will make up their value in what they do at the end of the lane.  That Motiv screams weak shot and frustration.  Also, it was 1000 grit sanded and still hit like a girl LOL!  I polish my balls to 4000 and like mirrors and hooks 10x as much.
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Re: Motiv SX-1 Video = LOL
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2008, 10:44:54 PM »
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First of all, Buddies uses probably the easiest THS in the entire world.  Comparing the bowler in the video to other balls that he has tested and this ball looks like garbage.  I still prefer the robot method to see true difference but basically that ball is barely making it back to the pocket at a decent angle.  Add some oil to the lane or even carrydown and that ball ain't coming back.  Be prepared to leave lots of nasty spares.  I wouldn't be surprised if you had to shoot the 5 pin all night for spares.


Again -- bowler, move right. Problem solved.

It looked to me like the tester was trying to play a preset line to compare the ball against others (i.e., go over XX out to XX whether the ball was making it back or not).

As for "add some oil," a lot of people never face that condition. If we do, we can change balls to something stronger when the time comes. Carrydown? I can't beat carrydown unless I'm throwing particle pearl, no matter how good the ball looks on the fresh.

I'll give you the preference for the robot. But I fail to see how the ball in this video is junk when it would allow a lot of guys to stay in the track area and play an easier, more powerful angle later in the set. Or is it supposed to be easier to play fifth arrow?

I'd like to see the guy make another video playing more direct. The ball appears to have a urethane-like roll but cleaner up front, which is hard to achieve, and a bit more oomph on the backend than urethane.

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Re: Motiv SX-1 Video = LOL
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2008, 10:48:06 PM »
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First of all, Buddies uses probably the easiest THS in the entire world.  Comparing the bowler in the video to other balls that he has tested and this ball looks like garbage.  I still prefer the robot method to see true difference but basically that ball is barely making it back to the pocket at a decent angle.  Add some oil to the lane or even carrydown and that ball ain't coming back.  Be prepared to leave lots of nasty spares.  I wouldn't be surprised if you had to shoot the 5 pin all night for spares.


Again -- bowler, move right. Problem solved.

It looked to me like the tester was trying to play a preset line to compare the ball against others (i.e., go over XX out to XX whether the ball was making it back or not).

As for "add some oil," a lot of people never face that condition. If we do, we can change balls to something stronger when the time comes. Carrydown? I can't beat carrydown unless I'm throwing particle pearl, no matter how good the ball looks on the fresh.

I'll give you the preference for the robot. But I fail to see how the ball in this video is junk when it would allow a lot of guys to stay in the track area and play an easier, more powerful angle later in the set. Or is it supposed to be easier to play fifth arrow?

I'd like to see the guy make another video playing more direct. The ball appears to have a urethane-like roll but cleaner up front, which is hard to achieve, and a bit more oomph on the backend than urethane.

Jess

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Re: Motiv SX-1 Video = LOL
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2008, 10:53:22 PM »
Do you people not ever pay attention to things?  At the intro to the video, it tells you that it has an aggressive cover and wants to read the lane condition earlier.

  An earlier read of the lane means an earlier transition, which generally translates into a smoother, more predictable reaction.  That is exactly what I see here.  A ball that reads earlier, spreads the transition over a larger area, and moves less on the last 10 feet of lane than a skid/snap ball would.

  I haven't thrown it, so I wouldn't know for sure, but the reaction reminds me of a particle ball or a very strong reactive solid.  The ball is covering a lot of boards, just not all on the backend.  Many people will prefer a ball motion similar to the one in the video.

  People who watch Buddies videos also need to take into consideration that the volume of oil may not be as much as a ball is truly intended for and may have the ball reading a bit early, expending more energy in the front part of the lane than the ball is really designed to do.  This will smooth out the reaction and make a ball look weaker than it actually is.

  Perhaps Chris himself will chime in, or at least any other member of Buddies staff who has actually thrown it or seen it in person.  Before I pass judgement on it, I want more evidence.  It may be a piece of crap, it may not be, but you can't tell from just one video of it in one bowlers hands on one lane condition.
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Re: Motiv SX-1 Video = LOL
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2008, 10:56:07 PM »
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Do you people not ever pay attention to things?  At the intro to the video, it tells you that it has an aggressive cover and wants to read the lane condition earlier.

  An earlier read of the lane means an earlier transition, which generally translates into a smoother, more predictable reaction.  That is exactly what I see here.  A ball that reads earlier, spreads the transition over a larger area, and moves less on the last 10 feet of lane than a skid/snap ball would.

  I haven't thrown it, so I wouldn't know for sure, but the reaction reminds me of a particle ball or a very strong reactive solid.  The ball is covering a lot of boards, just not all on the backend.  Many people will prefer a ball motion similar to the one in the video.

  People who watch Buddies videos also need to take into consideration that the volume of oil may not be as much as a ball is truly intended for and may have the ball reading a bit early, expending more energy in the front part of the lane than the ball is really designed to do.  This will smooth out the reaction and make a ball look weaker than it actually is.

  Perhaps Chris himself will chime in, or at least any other member of Buddies staff who has actually thrown it or seen it in person.  Before I pass judgement on it, I want more evidence.  It may be a piece of crap, it may not be, but you can't tell from just one video of it in one bowlers hands on one lane condition.
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Respect that 100%.  However, reactive balls in general of the popular companies generally have negligible differences.  As in, you can't really tell how one ball is better or worse than another of another company's.  Basically the best ball of any of the top companies = the others.  This Motiv ball, you can see the difference easily just by the pin action or lack there of and the nasty weak hit on that THS.  I know one thing with this ball, you won't leave many 4 pins LOL.
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Re: Motiv SX-1 Video = LOL
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2008, 10:58:29 PM »
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Do you people not ever pay attention to things?  At the intro to the video, it tells you that it has an aggressive cover and wants to read the lane condition earlier.

  An earlier read of the lane means an earlier transition, which generally translates into a smoother, more predictable reaction.  That is exactly what I see here.  A ball that reads earlier, spreads the transition over a larger area, and moves less on the last 10 feet of lane than a skid/snap ball would.

  I haven't thrown it, so I wouldn't know for sure, but the reaction reminds me of a particle ball or a very strong reactive solid.  The ball is covering a lot of boards, just not all on the backend.  Many people will prefer a ball motion similar to the one in the video.

  People who watch Buddies videos also need to take into consideration that the volume of oil may not be as much as a ball is truly intended for and may have the ball reading a bit early, expending more energy in the front part of the lane than the ball is really designed to do.  This will smooth out the reaction and make a ball look weaker than it actually is.

  Perhaps Chris himself will chime in, or at least any other member of Buddies staff who has actually thrown it or seen it in person.  Before I pass judgement on it, I want more evidence.  It may be a piece of crap, it may not be, but you can't tell from just one video of it in one bowlers hands on one lane condition.
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I missed the first part of the video. My player/browser fritzes out and I miss the first 5-10 seconds of a lot of YouTube and other videos.

Beyond that, you said pretty much what I was trying to say -- everything in the bag can't be skid/snap, unless you really like shooting alternating washouts and 3-6-10s when things get messy. I am one that prefers to have at least one ball with a very smooth transition in the backend. I wasn't considering Motiv before but now I'm thinking about it.

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Re: Motiv SX-1 Video = LOL
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2008, 11:03:17 PM »
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Man that thing sucks it rolls down the lane and knocks pins down.


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Re: Motiv SX-1 Video = LOL
« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2008, 11:05:31 PM »
personally i think ball looks pretty damn good.
good control ball. doesnt hit bad either. why is it when a ball dont cover 45 boards its junk ? and just by watching this video i doubt u can honestly say u know this ball is junk. i bet as the above person said. move right problem solved. and he was still carrying light hits. and last time i checked 10 down is the object of the game.
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