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Moving in off the burn after transition.
« on: April 10, 2022, 08:10:59 PM »
 This is going to sound dumb coming from someone who’s been bowling as long as I have, but I need some help/advice from some of you reactive era guys.

 I’ve never really had a game plan for changing conditions. Just tried my best to read them, and adjust accordingly. But, I always struggle the last game, and don’t guess I really understand “moving left and wheeling it off the burn”.

 Is there a plan?

 What do you look for? A cleaner ball that’s flippier? An overall stronger reaction, or just something cleaner that is quicker response?

 Help me out guys. Never took this part of the game serious enough I guess, and now that I’m almost 62, I sure could use some advice.
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Re: Moving in off the burn after transition.
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2022, 08:48:21 PM »
Something that’s quicker, it’s helps to have a slow ball that flat 10s or ring 10s. You immediately know you can go to something faster, I usually make a 2/0 move when going to the quicker ball and adjust feet/target from there.
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Re: Moving in off the burn after transition.
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2022, 10:40:06 PM »

If there is lots of friction I like pearl symmetric to save energy and provide stronger recovery. Nearly every one of these gets the gloss knocked off for a more consistent read of the friction.

Remember as you move inward to still throw a straight line to the breakpoint.

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Re: Moving in off the burn after transition.
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2022, 09:05:08 AM »
I don't know if there's one plan to rule them all. The "gotcha" is that house shots are so wet-dry that you may need to start with the weaker ball then move left into the oil and use the stronger one, core and cover.

Basically experiment and try different things until one works. ;)
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Re: Moving in off the burn after transition.
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2022, 11:58:59 AM »
I don't know if there's one plan to rule them all. The "gotcha" is that house shots are so wet-dry that you may need to start with the weaker ball then move left into the oil and use the stronger one, core and cover.

Basically experiment and try different things until one works. ;)

You definitely have to experiment to find what works.

In a fresh house shot scenario, I've been a fan of starting with a weaker ball and then moving in with something that's a little stronger and quicker.

I bowl a second shift league and I've learned this year that my 900G Money Badger for some reason isn't a great match to the conditions. I get in between with it, Hustle Camo or RST X-2 have looked much better.

Just bowled our county tournament a week ago and the Money Badger was $$$ for games 5-6 of doubles/singles after Marvel Maxx Pearl games 1-4. But this was burn on a lower friction surface, rather than the high friction surface where I've been bowling league.

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Re: Moving in off the burn after transition.
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2022, 09:25:45 PM »
 Well, on the fresh, I usually start with either my tank blitz or my covert tank. The MP cover smooths out the wet/dry, and tames some of the backends. I end up shooting anywhere from 200 to around 230.

 Second game, I start seeing some carry down and switch to my UC3. It does really great on that, and I can shoot some really good scores the second game.

 Third game comes, and the shot really deteriorates rapidly. I’ve tried just moving in with the UC3, but it’s just not enough. Once I get in a few boards, there’s enough head oil left, but just won’t recover. Last week I shoot 232-265-170 and this week I shoot 209-252-198.

Last game has been a struggle all year. Am I just playing them wrong?
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Re: Moving in off the burn after transition.
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2022, 10:12:31 PM »
Well, on the fresh, I usually start with either my tank blitz or my covert tank. The MP cover smooths out the wet/dry, and tames some of the backends. I end up shooting anywhere from 200 to around 230.

 Second game, I start seeing some carry down and switch to my UC3. It does really great on that, and I can shoot some really good scores the second game.

 Third game comes, and the shot really deteriorates rapidly. I’ve tried just moving in with the UC3, but it’s just not enough. Once I get in a few boards, there’s enough head oil left, but just won’t recover. Last week I shoot 232-265-170 and this week I shoot 209-252-198.

Last game has been a struggle all year. Am I just playing them wrong?

Definitely need a reactive option, that's the issue

If you really like the UC3, I'd look towards the UC2

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Re: Moving in off the burn after transition.
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2022, 10:25:09 PM »
Please post when you guys figure this out, I’m in a similar boat.

Last four weeks been seeing scores between 215 and 230 first two games. Last game is a struggle to get to 150. Shot just goes away. Everything jumps across the head pin. The track is burnt enough that I can’t get a ball to the right of it without really throwing it in the gutter. I start with a an old Hectic. I’ve tried that and an Idol Synergy. Plus anything that is right of 6 has huge over under issues for everyone.

Picked up a Raw Hammer Orange to try. Used a different layout on it, 70x5x45. Hope it helps this week.

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Re: Moving in off the burn after transition.
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2022, 12:50:08 PM »
Definitely need a reactive option, that's the issue

If you really like the UC3, I'd look towards the UC2

 I have several to choose from currently, but not a UC2.

 Would it be better to go with a weaker cored, quick response type ball, or just an overall stronger one?

 I own a pin up IQ TOUR pearl, a pin down Melee Jab red pearl, a pin down DV8 Night Prowler, a pin up Hyper Cell Fused, a pin in ring Electrify pearl, and a pin in ring Black Quantum. Oh, and a pin up polished Track Paradox red.

 Of those, which way would you go?
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Re: Moving in off the burn after transition.
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2022, 12:54:33 PM »
Definitely need a reactive option, that's the issue

If you really like the UC3, I'd look towards the UC2

 I have several to choose from currently, but not a UC2.

 Would it be better to go with a weaker cored, quick response type ball, or just an overall stronger one?

 I own a pin up IQ TOUR pearl, a pin down Melee Jab red pearl, a pin down DV8 Night Prowler, a pin up Hyper Cell Fused, a pin in ring Electrify pearl, and a pin in ring Black Quantum. Oh, and a pin up polished Track Paradox red.

 Of those, which way would you go?

Being that you're in a UC3 and it seems like you just need more motion, not necessarily something too weak... I'd look towards the HC Fused, Melee Jab, or Night Prowler. Assuming the Black Quantum is the recent version, that could be an option as well.

It comes down to experimenting to find what works since you have a few options that could work.

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Re: Moving in off the burn after transition.
« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2022, 02:01:20 PM »
Seconded on the HC Fused or Melee Jab.  If you need something to hit the spot hard and kick left, the Fused.  If that's creating over/under, go to the Jab.  One should work.
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Re: Moving in off the burn after transition.
« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2022, 09:12:51 PM »
It depends on your strategy when you move in.  Carry can be problematic for us slow speed strokers when we get deep on those house shots.  I have had some luck with the Jab getting deep but bringing my break point in to keep the launch angles tighter.  Alternatively if you want to try to open up the lane the UC2 rolls pretty good for me.

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Re: Moving in off the burn after transition.
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2022, 06:06:50 AM »
Hi Juggernaut - Great question.  Could you provide additional information.  Does your bowling center have wood or synthetic lanes?  Do you bowl in the evening or earlier in the day?  What do you average?  What about averages for game 1, 2, and 3.  Are you a traditional bowler or two handed.  What is your favorite bowling line?  Can you loft the ball?   What balls do you have?  What weight?  Do you know the Dual Angle Drill pattern numbers for each ball? Are you right or left handed?  How many leagues do you bowl in?  What are your goals?  Just off the top of my head.  Coach Denny

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Re: Moving in off the burn after transition.
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2022, 02:45:54 PM »
Hi Juggernaut - Great question.  Could you provide additional information.

1.  Does your bowling center have wood or synthetic lanes?

SYNTHETIC

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2.  Do you bowl in the evening or earlier in the day?

6:00 P.M.

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3. What do you average?

204 currently.


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4. What about averages for game 1, 2, and 3?

205--210--196

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5. Are you a traditional bowler or two handed?

TRADITIONAL ONE HANDER

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6. What is your favorite bowling line?

TRACK AREA--Target around 10 to 12, breakpoint between 5 and 8, depending.

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  7. Can you loft the ball?

I can, but I hate to. Most times I'm inconsistent at it.

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8. What balls do you have?

Pretty much anything I need. I've got 21 in the bedroom floor right now, and will buy anything I might need if I don't already have it. Here is a sampling:
1. Melee Jab Red
2. IQ Tour Pearl
3. Hyper Cell Fused
4. Electrify Pearl
5. Tundra Solid
6. Tundra Pearl
7. 900Global Badger Infused
8. Track Paradox Red (highly polished)
9. Black Quantum
10. Black Quantum #2 (Short pin to pap)
11. Circle Athletics High Voltage
12 Motiv Desert Tank
13. Motiv Covert Tank
14. Motiv Tank Blitz
15. DV8 Night Prowler
16. RotoGrip UC3
17 Web Tour Hybrid

  You get the picture......

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9.  What weight?

15lbs

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10. Do you know the Dual Angle Drill pattern numbers for each ball?

No, not really. I have a variety of drillings in them. Some pin up (smaller val angle), some pin down (larger val angle).

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11. Are you right or left handed?

RIGHT HANDED

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12.  How many leagues do you bowl in?

One currently, but I used to bowl in several competitive leagues as well as a traveling league. 

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13. What are your goals?

To keep a 200 average for as long as I can.

  Just off the top of my head.  Coach Denny
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Re: Moving in off the burn after transition.
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2022, 04:26:39 PM »
Prob a long shot, but if you could find an old Crimson Phantom in your weight , problem solved....I had one in 16 and when I recently went down to 14 was able to get a 14 pound one...with this core you won't even have to move inside, you'll get plenty of length, even in the dry part of the lane--I use mine as my driest option------the hard part would be finding one , but it'll work.

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