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Rock77

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Reaction on certain lane conditions
« on: September 28, 2004, 03:12:14 AM »
Ok, I got to thinking last night about how people build an arsenal. Lets say you build a 4 ball arsenal. So you have a ball for Heavy, Med/Hvy, Med, Light. Is there a general reaction that one should use as "standard" when covering a certain lane condition??

I know that for heavy oil, you want a ball that rolls early and arcs to the pocket with lots of forward roll. But, what kind of reaction should one try to achieve when battling other lane conditions and transitions?

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LuckyLefty

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Re: Reaction on certain lane conditions
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2004, 11:21:16 AM »
Oh boy!  I could say a couple of words here, but.....

http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=40276&ForumID=18&CategoryID=5

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Re: Reaction on certain lane conditions
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2004, 11:40:39 AM »
Rock,...here's a couple good places to go to get you started in learning about 'all that layout stuff',..www.brunswickbowling.com and www.ebonite.com . When ya get there read their layout and drilling instructions,and notice how they shift the pins and cgs to get desired results. Also sometimes they recommend a balance hole to also impart a desired roll or reaction. All of these are doing one thing,..positioning the weight block in a position to effect the roll on the ball. Other manufactures have the same type info,..and they all vary slightly depending on which one you read...but the layouts are all pretty standard through-out the industry...many variables come into play also, your style, the lanes, the oil pattern,..etc...have fun.
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scotts33

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Re: Reaction on certain lane conditions
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2004, 11:59:08 AM »
My daily peeve today.  This should be posted in Drillings & Layouts.    

If you get BTM there is an interesting article by Denny Torgeson about a 6 ball line up.  

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Rock77

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Re: Reaction on certain lane conditions
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2004, 12:21:06 PM »
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My daily peeve today.  This should be posted in Drillings & Layouts.    

If you get BTM there is an interesting article by Denny Torgeson about a 6 ball line up.  

Scott


I put it here because more people view this forum.

Now that I think about it, I should have re-worded the post. Drillings are subject to change based on one's PAP. So, what I really should have asked is what kind of reaction do you look to get on a certain condition. And obviously achieving that reaction is drilling the ball properly. So, now what do you guys have to say??

Sorry for the confusion.
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scotts33

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Re: Reaction on certain lane conditions
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2004, 12:28:40 PM »
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I put it here because more people view this forum.

 


Rock77--That's my point.  It's basically chaos and the site has gone done hill because of this very thing amongst other issues.  See bullred's post and my earlier post today about "Why Is It So Hard????"

I understand in a way why you posted here but I think you get my point.  Moderators do not have the power to move topics but I feel they should.  

Hope you do understand what I am saying here...it's NOT just you but one and ALL.

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Rock77

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Re: Reaction on certain lane conditions
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2004, 04:24:02 PM »
ttt
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Re: Reaction on certain lane conditions
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2004, 04:41:52 PM »
It's in reference to bowling right???  Miscellaneous-bowling topics ...humm in my mind it fits.  Whats the deal with the topic police neways????
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scotts33

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Re: Reaction on certain lane conditions
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2004, 04:50:23 PM »
Hey Dayton......Rock77 changed his topic to this now "Reaction on certain lane conditions"  it was first titled about drilling and layouts.

As far as the police we sure could use some that is why great posters bullred and many others have given up on this site....keep going and I'm right behind them.  I know don't let the door hit my a** on the way out!

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Re: Reaction on certain lane conditions
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2004, 04:55:20 PM »
Ok I I put my foot in my mouth on that one. I showed up a day late and dollar short. I apologize for my comment..long day just vented a lil bit. Hope you don't hold it against me!!!!
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Rock77

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Re: Reaction on certain lane conditions
« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2004, 10:37:25 PM »
Now, now fellas...

I did change the topic out of respect to what Scotts33 had said. I understood where he was coming from and later realized that this was more the subject I was trying to touch upon.

Now that its clear, can someone chime in on my initial concern.

I mean really, when looking to get a certain reaction on a lane condition, is it a matter of preference or is there a "rule of thumb" type of reaction for each lane condition that will generally allow one to score more consistently. For example, the heavy oil condition, bowler A uses a ball that revs early and arcs with lots of forward roll, while bowler B prefers a go long and come back type of reaction. Now we all know that bowler B probably wont score as consistently as bowler A. Going along with what I have always thought, that a early revving arcing ball will get one to the pocket on heavy oil more consistently. Now my question/concern is for other lane conditions, how do you approach them?
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MSC2471

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Re: Reaction on certain lane conditions
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2004, 11:58:30 PM »
I guess in my experience based on the two conditions I see (one would be short oil with heavier concentration 10 to 10, lighter outside of 10, the other 24 foot short oil buff to 34, then another pass to 15 feet and back, heavier outside of 8 on both sides and gets a little lighter inside of 8 to 8) I try to start the first game with a medium/heavy or medium ball that can handle fresh oil and strong backends (my Eraser Pearl Particle handles this well). As the transition/carrydown hits, I either stay with the EPP or if I start noticing more of a break on the back, I move to my Hot Wire which is set up for a little more of an arcing reaction. If I can't get a wiggle out of the EPP and I see a significant line of oil on my ball, I know it's appropriate to use my Animal. In my Monday league house it's very important to see what your ball is doing over the course of the second and third game, as people tend to move outside and use more pearl resin/polished solid resin equipment and less particle as the head oil has disappeared. Sometimes I have to use all 3 balls in a given night because of the number of lefties on the pair (6 to 8 out of 10) and where everyone is playing over the course of the league. On Tuesday nights I've found playing inside works best for consistency, and can usually stay with one ball (the EPP mostly) and just make slight 2 and 1 adjustments to get the reactions I desire as the night goes on.

That's just my take on what I see, maybe I did or didn't answer your questions, but a lot of times you just have to watch where the ball is finishing and see if the surface is too much or too little and make appropriate moves from there.

Matt

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