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FBM357

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throughout the years, I'm sure there's a ball to cover almost any condition set forth (especially THS).  If not, we have the option of changing the surface to accommodate the need.  Are we 'brainwashed' to think/believe every new ball is 'so much better' than the previous?  Or are we simply ignoring what has been accomplished in the not-to-far past and comparing only the new?

 

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Re: What more can be done to a ball that hasn't already been done?
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2010, 07:15:40 PM »
I think people are brainwashed to think new equipment is bigger and better than previous years' pieces. I throw all older stuff because it saves me money, and I can try a lot more bowling balls that way. Most of my stuff is 2nd or 3rd drill, and I'm averaging 227 on the THS. Carry has never been a consistent problem, just a few nights every now and then where nothing wants to go down. On harder sport shots, I'm around 195-200 with the same equipment, all with a few years under their belts. I do not see the "huge" advantage of the new releases that the companies advertise.

However, you see this all the time here: I just shot 830 out of the box with a 300 first game. Hard to argue with these results. But I think the difference here is mental. Purchasing a new ball and having that "new ball" feel. I wonder if it's a mental thing or the simple will power of the brain that helps pins fall. Similarly, when you're throwing it well or on a hot streak, you sometimes know right off your hand the ball will strike. You get lucky breaks, and the good feeling runs strong. On the contrary, when you have bad luck and things don't quite go your way, you feel depressed or angry, and that last pin always finds a way to stay up. I wonder how much will power plays a part in pin carry and bowling. It would be an interesting experiment, albeit hard to run. Is it possible to make your own luck?
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Re: What more can be done to a ball that hasn't already been done?
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2010, 07:31:10 PM »
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I think people are brainwashed to think new equipment is bigger and better than previous years'''' pieces. I throw all older stuff because it saves me money, and I can try a lot more bowling balls that way. Most of my stuff is 2nd or 3rd drill, and I''''m averaging 227 on the THS. Carry has never been a consistent problem, just a few nights every now and then where nothing wants to go down. On harder sport shots, I''''m around 195-200 with the same equipment, all with a few years under their belts. I do not see the "huge" advantage of the new releases that the companies advertise.
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kingpin268,

Obviously you are a good bowler. The rest of us are not as talented, no matter how much we practice or get coached. So we need every pin we can yank out of every ball we can get our hands on and not go broke in the process. Besides some of us enjoy tyring new stuff if only to see how it reacts. There are two hobbies here for some of us: bowling and trying out new bowling balls.
(The hard part is selling the ones that no longer interest us.)

Arguably many have the need to redrill and change surface on the balls they have rather than buy new ones, but that''s another game entirely.


"I wonder how much will power plays a part in pin carry and bowling. It would be an interesting experiment, albeit hard to run. Is it possible to make your own luck?"


I think that''s a given and does NOT have to be proven, at least to me. Been observing myself and many others, both good and bad, for many years, for the above not to be true by a margin of around 9:1, for everyone I have observed, including yours truly.
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Re: What more can be done to a ball that hasn't already been done?
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2010, 07:45:53 PM »
With the value of what some older NIB bowling balls go for I think there are many that realize how great they still are.

Some of the most popular current bowling balls out aren't the super soaker big hooking balls but a lot of the mid and lower line bowling balls that don't over react and work really really well on the house shots most people bowl on.

I love some of my super hi-performance equipment. I just don't get to use it often due to the lane conditions I normally face.
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Re: What more can be done to a ball that hasn't already been done?
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2010, 08:29:20 PM »
Oh don't get me wrong, I love trying new bowling balls. Girlfriend is starting to get worried haha Got about 15 laying either in my car or in my dorm currently. And probably 10 more back home. It's turning into an addiction. Buying used stuff allows me to buy 3-4 balls instead of one new one, and I like what I've seen so I can't warrant spending 200 bucks for the newest hook in a box.

And charlest, sorry if I came off bragging there. I was just stating that I've no problem scoring with yesterday's equipment, even as the rest of the bowling team jests at my "ancient equipment". I've got a lot of work to do to become a "good" bowler, as you said it. At least in my book...
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Re: What more can be done to a ball that hasn't already been done?
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2010, 09:21:13 PM »
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Oh don't get me wrong, I love trying new bowling balls. Girlfriend is starting to get worried haha Got about 15 laying either in my car or in my dorm currently. And probably 10 more back home. It's turning into an addiction. Buying used stuff allows me to buy 3-4 balls instead of one new one, and I like what I've seen so I can't warrant spending 200 bucks for the newest hook in a box.

And charlest, sorry if I came off bragging there. I was just stating that I've no problem scoring with yesterday's equipment, even as the rest of the bowling team jests at my "ancient equipment". I've got a lot of work to do to become a "good" bowler, as you said it. At least in my book...
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You did not do it in a bragging fashion. not to worry.
Facts are facts. 227 even on a house condition is good bowling. You want to improve which is even better.

I used a Power Surge on Friday (not too effectively as I had it too rough)
and I just plugged and redrilled a used Blue Hot Flame from 1998 and re-surfaced a Storm Bolt Pro I had sitting in the basement!
Still using a Dyno-Thane Concept XXtra from 1997.
(Yeah, I'm kind of bragging about some of my "treasures".)
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Re: What more can be done to a ball that hasn't already been done?
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2010, 09:27:22 PM »
There does seem to be no end to the tweaks that companies do to the covers and cores,and with CAD the possibilities are probably endless.
 No matter what the USBC does to limit ball performance there'll be a company that will find a way around it.It's happened in other sports,so sit back and watch the fun...........
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Re: What more can be done to a ball that hasn't already been done?
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2010, 10:10:10 PM »
There's something to be said about the reaction you get from a new bowling ball for 10 or so games after you put some lines on it, you can't beat that. High end or low end, it doesn't matter.

Some of you know what I'm saying.

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Re: What more can be done to a ball that hasn't already been done?
« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2010, 12:07:31 AM »
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There's something to be said about the reaction you get from a new bowling ball for 10 or so games after you put some lines on it, you can't beat that. High end or low end, it doesn't matter.

Some of you know what I'm saying.


This was what I was getting at in my first post. I wonder if your anticipation of a new and better ball makes it seem to have that "special" reaction in your mind. The human brain is a powerful thing, and I can't help but wonder how much it is capable of. If people have all confidence that a ball will outperform everything you've ever thrown, I strongly believe the ball will do that regardless of what it is. Once the "new ness" of the ball wears off, i.e. about 10 games, our excitement is usually over, and that ball loses that noticeable edge. Could be coincidence, but I think our confidence in a ball, or ultimately our mentality, can play just as big a part as the new ball. Just food for thought...
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Re: What more can be done to a ball that hasn't already been done?
« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2010, 04:45:07 AM »
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I think people are brainwashed to think new equipment is bigger and better than previous years' pieces


I think this is the key though....and it's going to depend on how far you go back as well.

I threw older Faball equipment before making the arsenal all Visionary.  I had a 3D High-Rev Offset, 3D Offset Pearl and a Sledge that were the mainstays.  Outside of that, all the other older stuff I had performed ok on THS, but when I went to Travel Leagues, the balls didn't react as well for the first couple games because of the amount of oil.

That's the one area I think the older equipment fails on, and Kingpin, you see it as well when you state, "On harder sport shots, I'm around 195-200 with the same equipment, all with a few years under their belts"

I also feel that the type of game is going to be a clear indication of what someone might see.  Watch any vids of me and you'll see I am not a power player.  With that, I see the difference in the balls in the shots and the scores.  

For the last 6-7 years I'd say I was averaging anywhere from 205-215 or so.  This year that's changed as I am up to 224 and 230 and have shot many honor scores.  Only difference.....the balls, all Visionary, and that most are new.


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Re: What more can be done to a ball that hasn't already been done?
« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2010, 08:48:59 AM »
i bowl with a guy who shoots a mid 500 series... then next week he has a new ball!!!  not to mention while shootn this great 500 series HE NEVER CHANGED BALLS!!   WTF

he is or was a good bowler at one time... has 16ish 800s and 40 300's and averaged over 230 back in the mid late 90's and 2000's...
08-09 summer included he bought 14 new balls. this winter season he only got'en 9 new balls... LOL

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Re: What more can be done to a ball that hasn't already been done?
« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2010, 08:57:23 AM »
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think people are brainwashed to think new equipment is bigger and better than previous years' pieces


One issue is that some treat bowling balls now like show room cars. I have seen guys get bent out of shape over a scratch in their bowling ball. And the scratch is not not even in the track area.

As soon as a ball starts to look a little worn....that new shiny one on the pro shop shelf looks really good.

I see this with Golf clubs. Once a driver has a few scratches on it...you have some compelled to get a new one.
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Re: What more can be done to a ball that hasn't already been done?
« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2010, 09:18:18 AM »
I think I'm pretty much set for bowling balls for a few years.  My Cell Pearl is the only ball with more than a dozen games on it, probably around 75 now.  
My Chainsaw might have more than 12 depending on how many games the previous owner put on it, and the thumb was moved.

I don't bowl a lot so these should last a long time with proper upkeep.  I have a spinner so that helps with the maintenance.  

All of the equipment I have is newish because I just "started" bowling last season (after a 13 year layoff).  I still have my Track Synergy Solid from 1996 and before I got my Cell Pearl I used it in my return for half a season.  It still performed, but with my newer equipment I'm averaging 10+ pins higher.
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