Author Topic: does coming around the ball rob your ball speed?? (Read 778 times)

looseleftie · « **on:** December 03, 2009, 06:06:06 PM »

Hi all,

I was wondering, I have developed a bad habit of coming around ball, i'm also trying to up speed a little (never tried to fix my release until now, as was pretty consistant).. So, was thinking if I came up from behind more, would that help speed pick up a little, given that I have more hand behind the ball on release?

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Can anyone give their thoughts on my question.

Cheers guys
Looseleftie

Danes07 · « **Reply #1 on:** December 04, 2009, 04:24:51 AM »

Well, at least for it does.

I, too, had a really bad habit of coming around the ball for a long time. I just wanted to try and get as much on the ball as I could and then it just became habit to do. The biggest problem with this was the fact that it was killing my ball speed and forcing the ball to push too much.

Recently, I started to work on keeping my hand softer, more passive and making sure to stay a little more up the back. All of a sudden my roll is better, ball doesn't push as far down the lanes, even pearl stuff, I'm scoring better and have found ball speed that I didn't know I had.
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Nicanor · « **Reply #2 on:** December 04, 2009, 08:46:24 AM »

Coming around the ball too early might slow down ball speed, at least make it more difficult to keep the ball speed up and consistant. Coming around the ball too soon and too much will probably cause the ball to spin making the ball push further. Great for shorter oil or light oil, but will make bowling in med/heavy oil a little more difficult. Having different hand releases and knowing when to use them will be very helpful.

Walter Ray says to keep your elbow behind the ball and under your shoulder, Norm Duke says to keep your forearm forward and under your shoulder. This is basically the same thing if you try both. It keeps your arm behind the ball, easier to keep your hand behind the ball making it easier to keep the ball speed up and consistant.

This doesn''t mean you can''t bring your hand around the ball on release, but not to use your arm by turning your elbow out, your forearm in and thumbs down.

Too much forward roll on a light pattern or short oil pattern could be as bad as too much hand rotation, spin, on heavier oil conditions.

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pin-chaser · « **Reply #3 on:** December 04, 2009, 05:58:21 PM »

yes.. two ways....

1. WIth your hand on the side of the ball at release your arm is not able to maintain the momentum of the armswing off the hand.
2. You create more back end reaction (aritifical hook) which burns up more energy down lane by creating more friction.

I do however agree with nicanor that getting on the side of the ball can produce more of a spinner which does indeed obtain extra length but also looses hit.

Still the trick is to have your hand behind or even better inside the ball until the thumb clears (just at the bottom of the swing).Then as fast as possible using your fingers to rotate the ball and project out toward your target (and not up). This then would maximize the ball speed off your hand and provide the length (preserving energy down lane.). THe best of both worlds.

gparks · « **Reply #4 on:** December 06, 2009, 01:24:22 AM »

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You said it all in your original post. The reason you are coming around the ball is because you are trying to add more speed. Unless you do that by holding the ball higher in the stance and adjusting your footwork to match the length of the new swing arc, you WILL muscle the ball and come around it.

i agree with this as i am guilty as charged and trying to correct it.i had the mentality the past few months of i need more revs,oh boy did it ever mess me up gonna work with a pro shop buddy today on it.seems to me i replaced my correct low rev style,with a muscled spin .the ball reacts about the same,but with much less accuracy

now that i know my problem the harder part is fixing it.

wierd thing is my ball speed acctualy decreased when i started *muscling* my release and timing is thrown off too

not trying to jack the thread just trying to show my problems to help ya out good luck

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