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lilpossum1

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Long oil vs heavy oil
« on: February 18, 2015, 12:24:39 AM »
How does a person know which he is up against? And theoretically speaking, how should one tackle each?

 

TWOHAND834

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Re: Long oil vs heavy oil
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2015, 09:02:39 AM »
How does a person know which he is up against? And theoretically speaking, how should one tackle each?

What I do is slow my ball speed way down and see what happens.  If it is heavy volume; typically the pattern is no longer than 42 feet as centers wont want carry down all the way to the pin deck (can create nightmares for the lane mechanics).  Long oil is typically a light to normal oil volume.  If I throw it slow and still get some backend motion; then I believe it to be heavy volume normal to longer length pattern.  If I throw it slow and the ball still doesnt do much on the backend; then I think long oil (longer than 45 feet) with lighter volume.  The transitions will be different as the long pattern will break down a little quicker in the fronts and midlane whereas on the heavier volume it will tend to carrydown before it breaks down.  Watching your ball reactions are a must in determining which one you are encountering.
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Re: Long oil vs heavy oil
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2015, 09:59:50 AM »
These 2 Kegel articles address your second question (theoretically speaking):

http://www.kegel.net/V3/ArticleDetails.aspx?ID=46
http://www.kegel.net/V3/ArticleDetails.aspx?ID=2

The first is, in practice, is much harder.  If someone like Bill O'Neill can't do it (albeit very small sample size), then I would not trust many to be able to figure it out:
http://www.richjacobsonbowling.com/blog/how-to-fix-the-pba-telecast

Excerpt:

...I ran a Turbo clinic at White Plains a couple months ago with the pleasure of PBA superstar Bill O'Neill and Gold coach Lou Marquez.  They we showing a theory of taking 6 shots to determine a bowling pattern.  Billy O went upstairs and blind to the condition threw a series of shots to determine the length and volume of a pattern and while he thought it was a medium length condition, it was in fact short.  I found this interesting because his ball choice and moves might not match up to his first impressions.

lilpossum1

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Re: Long oil vs heavy oil
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2015, 08:21:30 PM »
Ahhh! Thank you

avabob

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Re: Long oil vs heavy oil
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2015, 11:20:29 PM »
It might be possible to mistake a medium pattern for a short pattern or vice versa when fresh because a fresh strip will often make both play similar for a few shots.  Also need to define what is short or medium.  Anything under 37 feet is probably short, but big difference between 36 and 26.  Likewise upper end of medium is probably 42 feet, but big difference between 42 and 37.  Also amount of reverse oil, regardless of overall volume makes a difference. 

We can quibble on the definitions, but PBA patterns range from 26 to 52.  That would mean short medium and long would each entail 8+ feet which is a pretty broad range.   

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Re: Long oil vs heavy oil
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2015, 05:11:04 AM »
There's an old PBA saying of letting your ball be your guide. It still holds true.

I experienced something similar to Bill O'Neill last month at a gig. The tournament director does not post their pattern(s) prior to bowling, but they will post what it was after the tournament. Because of my ball reaction, I was under the impression I was bowling on an intermediate pattern of about 38 to 39 feet. I was quick to recognize in practice anything 9-board and out was out of bounds.

Making this response short, it turned out the pattern length was 44 feet and it was the Kegel Dead Man's Curve; a pattern that is right at or just under 3:1.

For me, it played anywhere from 11-board all the way into 18-board depending on ball choice and where I lined up on the approach. I also used a Platinum Ringer, Slingshot, and even my old Columbia Black U-Dot. I finished 7th out of 123.

The guy who won, if memory serves me correct, used an IQ Tour Pearl, Venom Shock, a Tribal; the ball he used to win the tournament was an Octane. We both played similar break points.
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avabob

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Re: Long oil vs heavy oil
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2015, 11:24:25 AM »
Rule of thumb for me is that any time there seems to be an ob on fresh, it is a fairly long pattern.