Post by: bamaster on March 10, 2006, 11:38:49 AM
The first shot my hand is in front of my face. The very next shot my hand is to the right.
Can someone point out the cause of this?
Here it is:
http://www.allbowling.com/gallery/misc.php?do=downloadfile&i=122
I'm THINK the first ball is a Dyno-thane Energy with a 5.5 X 5 layout and the second one is an Element Zr40 with a 2 X 4 layout. The pattern is the US Open shot, which was not fun at all!
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Post by: Panic on March 10, 2006, 07:45:23 PM
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Post by: BrunsNick on March 10, 2006, 07:47:43 PM
What are your thumb pitches and total spans?
Looks great overall to me, maybe there is just a few tweaks we can make!
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Post by: GargoyleFlunkie on March 10, 2006, 07:48:53 PM
Post by: bluedothooks on March 10, 2006, 07:49:02 PM
This is what I can see. And I think because you were unsure of the second shot, that's why your hand isn't in front of you. The follow through in the first one looks good.
Hope it helps.
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Post by: bamaster on March 10, 2006, 08:00:01 PM
This video was taken at Turbo Grips's coaching facility called Turbo Tech. You can see one of the video cameras on the right wall there. There's a camera in front, above, to the right, and behind the bowler on that lane. Include the handheld camera used to make this video, it's a five-point video system.
The coach is Lou Marquez who used to coach at Kegel Training Facility. I spent three days there last month. I was throwing equipment we drilled there and was trying to execute small changes (like changing to a 4-step).
The first shot is the better shot. I'm trying to see what went wrong the second shot.
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Post by: rabbit_sla on March 10, 2006, 08:54:58 PM
Great video by the way.
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Post by: Re-Evolution on March 11, 2006, 03:26:14 AM
Watch your slide foot on the two shots in shot 1 you post it with out moving your foot but in shot 2 you have to reposition your foot to keep balance.
Timing appear to be dead even on both shots, I was expecting to see a little difference as a possible explanation for the follow through difference. There isn't any so I think the only thing it could be is the trail leg motion.
I edited the video to make it easier to see differences.
Shot 1 is on the right.
View online:
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Have you tried keeping you trail leg grounded?
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Post by: bamaster on March 11, 2006, 10:03:27 AM
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The main difference I see is that your trail leg swings to the left quicker in shot 1 and in shot 2 your body torques a little bit causing you to be a smidge off balance.
Watch your slide foot on the two shots in shot 1 you post it with out moving your foot but in shot 2 you have to reposition your foot to keep balance.
Timing appear to be dead even on both shots, I was expecting to see a little difference as a possible explanation for the follow through difference. There isn't any so I think the only thing it could be is the trail leg motion.
I edited the video to make it easier to see differences.
Shot 1 is on the right.
View online:
http://www.bowling-info.com/details.php?image_id=99
Download:
http://www.bowling-info.com/download.php?image_id=99
Have you tried keeping you trail leg grounded?
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Wow! What a great perspective! I nailed the first shot and the second shot was terrible... as you can see. This was during a coaching session so I was trying to work on lowering my leg among other things. Fighting years of muscle memory is tough.
But yes I agree. The trail leg (as more than a few of you have noticed) on the second shot was higher causing me to lose balance. I've tried to keep that leg on the ground and I simply can't. Not yet anyways. It is lowere now, however. And that's a start.
I have tree days worth of video. We spent a lot of time on a side view, which I'll post later, that shows how great things are until I release the ball. Originally, I would pop up at the line with my trail leg and left arm very high. So I'm trying to keep things "quiet" especially by preventing my head from popping up at the line.
If you watch that side by side video, you can see that my head pops up higher on the left (second shot) than it does on the right. And yes, my trail leg goes higher, too.
I have a really long flat spot, allegedly. And a very straight backswing, which is good for hitting your target. But when I miss, my coach says it's because my trail leg is moving my body around.
I need to post some more videos. Thanks for the side by side video. That's good to see.
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Post by: Musky300 on March 11, 2006, 02:24:47 PM
Obviously staying behind the ball in the first shot and following through the ball from more underneath will produce a follow-through more extended and in line with your arm swing which made it stay "in front of your face".
In the second shot, it looks like you came around the ball or missed it more and the arm kind of "flailed" out producing the follow through to the right.
That's my analysis and I'm a big believer of when you hit the relase, everything from that point on will go as it should. Now...what causes you to miss your release? Could be many things: Timing, footwork, arm swing, bad-fitting ball, lack of mental focus, etc...etc... That is the real key you need to ask yourself in my opinion.
BTW...overall it looks like you have a very solid and smooth game and great foundation. The fact that you spent 3 days training with lessons to improve leads me to believe you are serious about the game and will fix these small problems.
Post by: CoachJim on March 11, 2006, 03:00:52 PM
You might consider trying to keep your posture a little more upright and focus on keeping your head steady from start to finish, you seem to twist a little going into the release. Wait on the ball until after you have released it, don't try to hit the ball.
Post by: DukeHarding on March 11, 2006, 03:29:59 PM
I made a copy of the vid, and stepped through frame by frame...
The first ball you were lower in the shot early. The 2nd shot you were more upright, and laer with the ball by abut 9 inches or so.
You probably muscled through the shot, when you felt you were late. Which made you top the ball a hair.
It's interesting playing the 2 shots in 2 players on screen, in slow motion...
you can see you have more leverage in the first shot.
You have a nice game.
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Post by: Strike300 on March 12, 2006, 10:05:02 PM
Post by: bamaster on March 13, 2006, 02:00:02 PM
Boy do I need a lot of work. I would really like to work on keeping that trail leg down. I fear that will take some serious effort. I bowled this past weekend and my inconsistencies really showed.
I'll post some more videos when I can.
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Post by: jensm on March 13, 2006, 08:25:59 PM
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Post by: Jeffrevs on March 20, 2006, 08:19:31 AM
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Boy do I need a lot of work.
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Jeeeez....here's a guy that bowls regionals and all over the place saying how much work he needs.........
That just put me into the "my God you suck category!!!" If you need a lot of work.....I don't even want to think about what MY game needs!!
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Post by: Mike Austin on March 20, 2006, 10:13:37 AM
Tony is right, he needs LOTS of work!!! He sucks, but is getting less sucky. He doesn't bowl as much as you think, but we are working on that too.
Slightly more serious, Tony does work on his game. He will get there.
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Post by: KDawg77 on March 20, 2006, 10:21:48 AM
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Post by: 2EZ on March 21, 2006, 09:53:20 AM
"It appears to me to be an issue coachJim alluded to... body position at the foul line. It appears that in shot one your foot moves left to right and thereby closer to your target line in your slide. Where as in shot two your slide moves straight.. and there by off balance. I have seen this many times and is usually caused by the fact that while you might actually slide in or very close to the same position, the path to the foul line is different. I would suggest that in shot one you are farther left on the approach than in shot two. I wish I could see the feet work to prove this."
It appears as though you wander further left in the beginning of the approach on the first shot, coming to your target from a different angle - further left on the approach - which is compensated for in your follow through going to the right to hit your mark. On the second approach, where you walk straighter, the mark is more in front of you, appearing slightly to your left, so you compensate in your follow through across your body to hit your mark, losing leverage in the shot.
I'd suggest putting tape markings on the approach, one where each step should land, and on the fronts of your your shoes. Then, point the camera at your feet from the foul line and see what happens. I'm guessing you simply need to plot a straighter/more consistent course at the beginning of your approach.
Good luck with working on your game.