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bamaster

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My Very First Video *sadness inside*
« on: March 10, 2006, 11:38:49 AM »
Ok, there is a reason I am posting this.  It seems that my follow-though isn't very consistent.

The first shot my hand is in front of my face.  The very next shot my hand is to the right.

Can someone point out the cause of this?

Here it is:
http://www.allbowling.com/gallery/misc.php?do=downloadfile&i=122

I'm THINK the first ball is a Dyno-thane Energy with a 5.5 X 5 layout and the second one is an Element Zr40 with a 2 X 4 layout.  The pattern is the US Open shot, which was not fun at all!
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Re: My Very First Video *sadness inside*
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2006, 07:45:23 PM »
very nice and smooth style
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Re: My Very First Video *sadness inside*
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2006, 07:47:43 PM »
Looks like there is a hesistation at the bottom of the swing. Usually the cause is grabbing it a little.

What are your thumb pitches and total spans?

Looks great overall to me, maybe there is just a few tweaks we can make!
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Re: My Very First Video *sadness inside*
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2006, 07:48:53 PM »
personally i didnt think your follow through varied to much you back swing was very straight which will ussually create a good follow through where did you shoot that at by the way.
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Re: My Very First Video *sadness inside*
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2006, 07:49:02 PM »
You have a good game. What I noticed is on your down swing, you decelerate more on the second shot. It looked you were hesitant (meaning didn't know exactly what to do with the shot) on the second one as well. Like you didn't trust the ball.

This is what I can see. And I think because you were unsure of the second shot, that's why your hand isn't in front of you. The follow through in the first one looks good.

Hope it helps.
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bamaster

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Re: My Very First Video *sadness inside*
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2006, 08:00:01 PM »
Interesting observations.  Yeah, I sometimes have this hesitation in my downswing.  Very small timing problem.  It usually fixes itself when I try to throw it faster.

This video was taken at Turbo Grips's coaching facility called Turbo Tech.  You can see one of the video cameras on the right wall there.  There's a camera in front, above, to the right, and behind the bowler on that lane.  Include the handheld camera used to make this video, it's a five-point video system.

The coach is Lou Marquez who used to coach at Kegel Training Facility.  I spent three days there last month.  I was throwing equipment we drilled there and was trying to execute small changes (like changing to a 4-step).

The first shot is the better shot. I'm trying to see what went wrong the second shot.
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Re: My Very First Video *sadness inside*
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2006, 08:54:58 PM »
What I noticed was your hand position as you released the ball.  The first shot you came around the ball a little bit but was still behind it.  The second shot you came around the ball a lot more than the first, almost like your thumb hund up just a tad.  

Great video by the way.
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Re: My Very First Video *sadness inside*
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2006, 03:26:14 AM »
The main difference I see is that your trail leg swings to the left quicker in shot 1 and in shot 2 your body torques a little bit causing you to be a smidge off balance.
Watch your slide foot on the two shots in shot 1 you post it with out moving your foot but in shot 2 you have to reposition your foot to keep balance.
Timing appear to be dead even on both shots, I was expecting to see a little difference as a possible explanation for the follow through difference. There isn't any so I think the only thing it could be is the trail leg motion.
I edited the video to make it easier to see differences.
Shot 1 is on the right.
View online:
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Have you tried keeping you trail leg grounded?
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bamaster

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Re: My Very First Video *sadness inside*
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2006, 10:03:27 AM »
quote:
The main difference I see is that your trail leg swings to the left quicker in shot 1 and in shot 2 your body torques a little bit causing you to be a smidge off balance.
Watch your slide foot on the two shots in shot 1 you post it with out moving your foot but in shot 2 you have to reposition your foot to keep balance.
Timing appear to be dead even on both shots, I was expecting to see a little difference as a possible explanation for the follow through difference. There isn't any so I think the only thing it could be is the trail leg motion.
I edited the video to make it easier to see differences.
Shot 1 is on the right.
View online:
http://www.bowling-info.com/details.php?image_id=99
Download:
http://www.bowling-info.com/download.php?image_id=99

Have you tried keeping you trail leg grounded?
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Wow!  What a great perspective!  I nailed the first shot and the second shot was terrible... as you can see.  This was during a coaching session so I was trying to work on lowering my leg among other things.  Fighting years of muscle memory is tough.

But yes I agree.  The trail leg (as more than a few of you have noticed) on the second shot was higher causing me to lose balance. I've tried to keep that leg on the ground and I simply can't.  Not yet anyways.  It is lowere now, however.  And that's a start.

I have tree days worth of video.  We spent a lot of time on a side view, which I'll post later, that shows how great things are until I release the ball.  Originally, I would pop up at the line with my trail leg and left arm very high.  So I'm trying to keep things "quiet" especially by preventing my head from popping up at the line.

If you watch that side by side video, you can see that my head pops up higher on the left (second shot) than it does on the right.  And yes, my trail leg goes higher, too.


I have a really long flat spot, allegedly.  And a very straight backswing, which is good for hitting your target.   But when I miss, my coach says it's because my trail leg is moving my body around.

I need to post some more videos.  Thanks for the side by side video.  That's good to see.

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Re: My Very First Video *sadness inside*
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2006, 02:24:47 PM »
I'll try to keep my opinion simple.  After looking at the video several times, it basically just comes down to the fact that you hit your release on the first shot and missed it slightly on the second.  

Obviously staying behind the ball in the first shot and following through the ball from more underneath will produce a follow-through more extended and in line with your arm swing which made it stay "in front of your face".

In the second shot, it looks like you came around the ball or missed it more and the arm kind of "flailed" out producing the follow through to the right.

That's my analysis and I'm a big believer of when you hit the relase, everything from that point on will go as it should.  Now...what causes you to miss your release?  Could be many things:  Timing, footwork, arm swing, bad-fitting ball, lack of mental focus, etc...etc...  That is the real key you need to ask yourself in my opinion.

BTW...overall it looks like you have a very solid and smooth game and great foundation.  The fact that you spent 3 days training with lessons to improve leads me to believe you are serious about the game and will fix these small problems.
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Re: My Very First Video *sadness inside*
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2006, 03:00:52 PM »
The key is body posture. The first shot the shoulders are square to your target and the second shot your shoulders are inside of your target causing your arm to swing out towards your target.

You might consider trying to keep your posture a little more upright and focus on keeping your head steady from start to finish, you seem to twist a little going into the release. Wait on the ball until after you have released it, don't try to hit the ball.
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Re: My Very First Video *sadness inside*
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2006, 03:29:59 PM »
Tony,
I made a copy of the vid, and stepped through frame by frame...
The first ball you were lower in the shot early. The 2nd shot you were more upright, and laer with the ball by abut 9 inches or so.
You probably muscled through the shot, when you felt you were late. Which made you top the ball a hair.

It's interesting playing the 2 shots in 2 players on screen, in slow motion...
you can see you have more leverage in the first shot.

You have a nice game.
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Re: My Very First Video *sadness inside*
« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2006, 07:53:30 PM »
It appears to me to be an issue coachJim alluded to... body position at the foul line. It appears that in shot one your foot moves left to right and thereby closer to your target line in your slide. Where as in shot two your slide moves straight.. and there by off balance. I have seen this many times and is usually caused by the fact that while you might actually slide in or very close to the same position, the path to the foul line is different. I would suggest that in shot one you are farther left on the approach than in shot two. I wish I could see the feet work to prove this.
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Re: My Very First Video *sadness inside*
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2006, 10:05:02 PM »
If thats sad by todays standards I'll take your game and give you mine.
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bamaster

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Re: My Very First Video *sadness inside*
« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2006, 02:00:02 PM »
Thanks for all the replies.

Boy do I need a lot of work. I would really like to work on keeping that trail leg down.  I fear that will take some serious effort.  I bowled this past weekend and my inconsistencies really showed.

I'll post some more videos when I can.


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