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Pinbuster

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Don't care or afraid of competition?
« on: July 26, 2004, 05:44:50 PM »
I’ve got a friend who is a very good athlete (was an all state football player) and has some of the best hand eye co-ordination I have ever seen. Most any physical endevor is easy for him and with just a little time he starts to get reasonably good at it. It doesn’t matter, hitting a softball, bowling, golf, ball room dancing, and even pitching pennies. He is also very competitive when going head to head against someone.

However once he becomes reasonably proficient he refuses to practice anymore and refuses to put him in positions where he has to compete against a field.

In bowling he never practiced and averaged 205-210 and shot 2 300’s. But he has since quit bowling but and even when he was sanctioned he didn’t bowl any tournaments.

I recently mentioned that I was considering entering a regional tournament just to see how I stacked up. His statement was he couldn’t understand why I would enter something for that purpose and have little chance to win back my money.

His position is that he just doesn’t care how he stacks up against the others. I have often felt that he is afraid to lose.

By refusing to practice he gives himself the excuse of “Well if I worked at it I could be as good as anyone”. And by not competing in open tournaments he never has to face up to his short comings.

There are lots of high average bowlers out there that do not bowl in competitive environments. They stay in their handicap leagues where they dominate and don’t venture into scratch leagues and tournaments.

Do they truly not care how they stack up? Are they afraid of failure? Do they not really want to know how good/bad they really are?



 

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Re: Don't care or afraid of competition?
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2004, 09:08:14 AM »
Interesting question...

There are a lot of high averaged bowlers at my local lanes, but there is only a percentage of these people that bowl tournaments and what not.  To be honest I'm not totally sure exactly why there aren't more of them coming out to tournaments and such.  The typical reasons given are; not enough money, not enough time, not enough drive or simply don't care.  

Everyone has there reasons for either bowling tournaments or not...it's such an individual thing that drives each person one way or the other.  Personally I like the competition that is associated with it.
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Re: Don't care or afraid of competition?
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2004, 11:08:14 AM »
Very good question.....

I think we all know someone/people like that.  From what I've witnessed, it appears like what Pappa alluded... EGO seems to be a key factor.  There are those who adore the attention/praise from others being labeled as "The One" yet always seem to have an excuse or comment regarding others that beat them.  When they do bad, the scapegoat is always something other than themselves.

I welcome the competition.  I think we all bowl to excel at the sport.  Hell, I remember when I was a 135 avg bowler!!  I still share the same enthusiasm now as I did then.  Bowling is fun and very competitive but the real reward is meeting people!!!

Just my $0.02

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Re: Don't care or afraid of competition?
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2004, 02:25:02 PM »
Hey PinBuster,

Great question...I agree with FBM, I think it's EGO.  I bowled for the first time this yr in what I was told was the richest scratch league in California ($140 a team x 37 weeks x 36 teams, $186,480 total prize fund).

This league had no pot games, the brackets were only $3 at that.  We're putting in $35 a week but nobody would put up $5 for pots, they tried it before but nobody would get in.  I couldn't understand why so many so-called competitive bowlers wouldn't get in.  However, they would walk around talking about their scores and averaging 200+ and so on.  They don't bowl in local tourneys and only a handful will bowl the ABC Nationals afraid to see their real game I suppose.  I guess there are quite a few individuals who are satisfied being able to brag about a 200+ avg while only a small percentage are true competitors.  

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Re: Don't care or afraid of competition?
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2004, 03:36:49 PM »
Different people have different life philosiphies. (SP?)

My husband could be going to tournaments more with my son and learning the newer shots but he has gotten to the point he enjoys bowling well but he has nothing to prove and doesn't want to do that kind of stuff all the time.

This summer we bowled the dutchman as a family, he didn't put in for the bolony bank, he would've been in the top 30 if I added right. He did place in 2 events but we were there for fun.
 and to compete, but to him it's not all about who's best. He knows on a good day he can shot 700's and bowl well. He's got the kind of confidence he knows he can if he wants, been there did that kind of attitude.

When he was younger, first tournament he bowled was handicap and he won. Back then we traveled after a scotch doubles tournament in our area, we had our fun.

My son would love to become a pro. He enjoys competition and money. Being at different tournaments is an awesome way to meet all kinds of folks. You learn who the real competitors are because you recognize them from other places. Then you have the locals who'll try because it's at their house and assume it'll be the same and most get angry when they can't bowl it because it's not their normal oil pattern. I've bowled on a pair with guys like that and love it. My nasty side, bowling around my normal ave and beating this hot shot locals. I don't understand lane conditions enough to bowl better but it doesn't hurt my game as much as the ones who get into a rut with the same oil.

Different folks bowl for different reasons, I just got out of a league of lady bowlers who do it supposedly for fun. They get angry and curse when they bowl badly but when I bowl a 200 and whine because I opened twice it should've been bigger, they have the nerve to say but you hit over ave. It's about fun, we're a fun league. They don't care for my attitude and I don't care for them. To me fun is doing something you enjoy doing for fun and the pleasure is doing it to your best ability. I hate to end up with a bunch of women who bowl for a social night out, sit and gab and not really pay attention and when they bowl bad whine. Heck for a night of pure gab, I'll play board games or go to a church event.

Only real fun I had in that league was the nights we were put right next to the men. The gals didn't like that, and a lot of the men didn't either. The ladies were loud, distractive and not as curtious as should be in my opinion.

Me, I'd sit and watch for the guys who shoot similar to me. If I was struggling, I knew which guys to try and immitate. Had a 245 one night because one of those guys next to me was hitting, I changed my line to match his.

IN leagues, I'm there to first compete with myself to do my best and to beat someone better than me. If someone with a much lower ave. beats me I applaud them and respect it, I encourage them to learn by that good game. I love to try and help beginners to bowl better.

One guy around 21 started bowling this past fall. I'm not a very good coach. He was bowling well, He'd hit 170's and some bigger games but I noticed a bad flaw in his approach. I discussed it with my son and some others who watched him. Most had the attitude, he's having fun, doing well, let him alone. Some agreed he'd probably be better off fixing it. One night while he was practicing and doing well, I pointed out his flaw. I explained how I bowled several years before someone told me my 3 step was going to keep me back. I was in a rut and not interested back then fixing it but they were right. At 49 I worked on it and found I am much more consistent. BUT I also did point out, it was a matter of choice and style. Maybe the flaw would someday be his signature and not hurt him.

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Re: Don't care or afraid of competition?
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2004, 04:43:15 PM »
It's difficult to understand what drives other individuals.  PB's example of an athletic type would easily get bored with bowling because of the easy scoring environment we live in now.  How many just get bored with the game because of the nonchallenging conditions?

I recently took the little ones to watch a police dog training demonstration.  I found it interesting that the trainer said he has to go to Europe to find the particular breed he likes for drug sniffing because Americans want pets instead of work dogs.  He explained that it takes a special inner drive from these dogs to make them continue to search without getting bored or distracted.  I watched this gentleman explain this all the while his dog was constantly moving as much as his leash would allow.  This dog seriously could not just sit still and the trainer admitted that this was the exact personality required.  

What do Michael Jordan, Walter Ray Williams Jr., Jeff Gordon, Walter Payton all have in common?  The enormous internal drive that will not allow them to be defeated.  Sure, all great athletes have natural abilities, but this will to win is what makes them special.  This obviously does not come strictly from breeding like the dogs, but there is something different about our great athletes.