Author Topic: need a ball to cut through oil and monster backend! (Read 5166 times)

splitcity · « **on:** February 17, 2009, 03:11:12 AM »

i am looking for something to replace my fury. i have narrowed it down to 3 balls but need some help! i average 211 throw 12-8 with lots of speed. i want something that will hook alot and offer tremendous backend. at this point i my biggest priority is backend. i want to stay with reactives only so my 3 choices are;

1) buzzbomb solid
2) rotogrip cell
3) visionary immortal solid

which one do you guys think will fit the bill? any other balls that would be better? thanks!

Kid Jete · « **Reply #1 on:** February 17, 2009, 11:14:31 AM »

None of those are really backend monsters... maybe somewhat the Buzzbomb but there are alot of better options. Virtual Gravity being one. The new Global ball coming out, the Break Point, sounds alot like what you are looking for as well.

MrNattyBoh · « **Reply #2 on:** February 17, 2009, 11:28:19 AM »

I THROW VERY SIMILAR AND JUST PURCHASED A COLUMBIA 300 PERFECT RIVAL AND A NOIZE. BOTH ARE VERY AGGRESIVE BALLS. THE RIVAL HAS MORE BACK-END FOR ME WHILE THE NOIZE IS SMOOTH IN THE MIDLANE WITH CONTINUATION IN THE BACK-END. IF YOU WANNA SAVE SOME MONEY GO WITH EITHER ONE OF THESE. VERY UNDERRATED BALLS.
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Danes07 · « **Reply #3 on:** February 17, 2009, 11:29:57 AM »

Any true heavy oil ball isn't going to be a backend monster. By being a heavy oil ball, its made to find friction early and exploit that friction to create traction and read. By this alone, the ball is going to have more of an arcing motion, not skid snap.

The Cell is a very good ball for this type of condition and very versitile. As was mentioned, the Storm Virtual Gravity is another one that needs to be considered.
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J_w73 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 17, 2009, 11:30:37 AM »

Do you have a high rev rate? Did your Fury cut through oil with a big backend?
I had a fury and it did not like to hook for me at all in any condition.
That being said, I also had an Immortal Solid and it behaved the exact way as my Fury. I have seen some awesome vids of the immortal solid that is why I bought it. I just couldn't make it do anything. Part of it may be the drilling. It may be super sensitive to pin and MB position being that it has a .078 differential and a decent strength mass bias. There are a couple of threads in the Visionary forum about it. Maybe it was burning up on me. From what I know it is supposed to handle more oil than any solid out there.. probably more than the Cell. I just couldn't get it to work.
Talk to Jason Wonders at Visionary. He will be more than willing to tell you all about it and help you out. Or check out Nor Cal Bowler on here. He is Mr Visionary and has a good relationship with the company. He also just got alot of info about the Immortal solid from Jason Wonders.

I wasn't a fan of the cell but you may want to wait until March for the Rogue Cell. Supposed to handle more oil than the cell, have the midlane read of the cell and the backend of the cell pearl.

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leftyinsnellville · « **Reply #5 on:** February 17, 2009, 11:33:20 AM »

I'd also look at Hammer's Black Widow Bite and AMF's Mega-Friction, though the previous suggestion to wait for 900 Global's Break Point may be your best bet. I love my Break, Break Pearl, and Break S75!
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J_w73 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 17, 2009, 11:46:39 AM »

that is why I asked if your Fury gave you that booming backend you are looking for. Like it has been said .. heavy oil monsters don't usually have a big backend.

other balls worth taking a look at.

Power Swing
Virtual Gravity
Hot Sauce
Sauce
Rising SE
LevRG Response
Black Widow Bite

I know some will disagree but a properly trick drilled No Mercy or No Mercy Beat'n
I just got an Epic Odyssey for this same thing. Not for super heavy oil though. I haven't received the ball yet so I don't know if it was a good choice.

shorter length balls with hook and backend.
Awesome Hook
Mega Friction
Bounty

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J_w73 · « **Reply #7 on:** February 17, 2009, 11:51:12 AM »

quote:
buzz bomb is way stronger than the immortal

Thanks.. I stand corrected.
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sluggo35 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 17, 2009, 12:21:22 PM »

i get big backend from my total inferno.

Phoneman · « **Reply #9 on:** February 17, 2009, 12:23:37 PM »

I would not call the Total Inferno a Heavy oil ball.

Russell · « **Reply #10 on:** February 17, 2009, 01:08:27 PM »

You can't have both....to have big backend you have to have two things

- Skid
- Friction

If a ball is "cutting through oil", it's not skidding, which means it's not storing energy. If it's not storing energy it can't release it and "kick" on the backend.

It's just not possible...no matter what bowling ball marketing tell you.
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jls · « **Reply #11 on:** February 17, 2009, 01:22:15 PM »

quote:
Any true heavy oil ball isn't going to be a backend monster. By being a heavy oil ball, its made to find friction early and exploit that friction to create traction and read. By this alone, the ball is going to have more of an arcing motion, not skid snap.

The Cell is a very good ball for this type of condition and very versitile. As was mentioned, the Storm Virtual Gravity is another one that needs to be considered.
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Danes / Russell, excellent post. That question is one of the most asked and most mis-understood!!!! As you said, a true oil ball, can not be both.
Well done!!!
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Edited on 2/17/2009 2:23 PM

« **Reply #12 on:** February 17, 2009, 01:53:43 PM »

quote:
quote:
Any true heavy oil ball isn't going to be a backend monster. By being a heavy oil ball, its made to find friction early and exploit that friction to create traction and read. By this alone, the ball is going to have more of an arcing motion, not skid snap.

The Cell is a very good ball for this type of condition and very versitile. As was mentioned, the Storm Virtual Gravity is another one that needs to be considered.
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Harry E. Inglis 3/31/1915 - 2/3/2009

Danes / Russell, excellent post. That question is one of the most asked and most mis-understood!!!! As you said, a true oil ball, can not be both.
Well done!!!
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jls

Edited on 2/17/2009 2:23 PM

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J_w73 · « **Reply #13 on:** February 17, 2009, 02:04:19 PM »

I agree, but there are also balls out there that can handle alot of oil up front and still have a big backend. You would think that would be any skid flip ball .. give it more skid up front and it should have more for the backend... but there are alot of balls that are skid flip that will not handle heavier oil up front and be able to still flip and break on the backend.. even with fairly dry backends. Don't know why.. maybe the ball doesn't have time to transition to the point that it can "flip"

I would also agree that his picks of the cell and Immortal solid are more arching control pieces.. don't know about the lane#1 stuff. That was the reason I asked if the Fury gave him what he was looking for.. and if it was, then the immortal solid (or even the cell) should be just as good.
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splitcity · « **Reply #14 on:** February 17, 2009, 02:13:52 PM »

thanks everyone! as for my Fury it cleared the heads very well but i want more on the back than it gives me. i should have said that i will not throw a polished or pearl due to my higher ball speed. i understand you cant have both but i think if you have a pattern with carrydown then you have to have both. with carrydown or heavy oil in the breakpoint areas, you need a ball that will wont skid and one that comes hard at the right time so for me that eliminates any pearl or polished ball. so i was happy with the overall hook of the fury and at one point the backend. however it has over 120 games on it and it just doesnt come back like it once did. so i should re post the question as " best solid/dull reactive ball that has the strongest backend"?

Edited on 2/17/2009 3:14 PM

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