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lilpossum1

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Creating revs: I just don't see it
« on: December 08, 2014, 12:03:14 PM »
Ryan Ciminelli just posted a video on Facebook of how smoothly he creates a 500 rev rate at 19 mph. I have watched this video and many others of people smoothly creating revs. I just don't see it. How is this done? I have tried ever since I started bowling. Sure, I can throw without a thumb and create great rev rates, but I sacrifice control. It isn't that I want to play from gutter to gutter, but there are times where I feel that getting inside of everyone is the way to score. And a little extra pin action doesn't really hurt either lol
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Re: Creating revs: I just don't see it
« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2014, 05:24:28 PM »
It's a combination but it is primarily the upper body staying lower thru the release and not raising up creating a hitting up motion
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Re: Creating revs: I just don't see it
« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2014, 06:00:55 PM »
Are there any in home drills I can do to help develop this? Sadly, I was taught to keep my hand more fixed throughout the release. And I have no coaches in my area, or super good bowlers.
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Re: Creating revs: I just don't see it
« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2014, 06:21:34 PM »
Quote from: MI 2 AZ on December 10, 2014, 05:18:41 PM
Correct me if this is incorrect, but the flat spot is created by the slide motion.  If you were just swinging the ball through, it would just be an arc, but with the forward motion of the body created by the slide, the ball swing has some forward motion at the bottom of the arc creating the flat spot.


That is the way that I see it and as shown in Mark Baker's book.

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Re: Creating revs: I just don't see it
« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2014, 08:05:39 PM »
That's partially a fallacy as you don't bowl standing up...of course you are sliding but you don't have to slide to have the ability to create a flat spot in the swing...it is body position as much swing plane
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Re: Creating revs: I just don't see it
« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2014, 09:03:09 PM »
There are those that don't slide, yet create a flat zone too....
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Re: Creating revs: I just don't see it
« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2014, 09:28:16 PM »
Most of the time, I do not feel like I slide, yet I sure do know when I slide more or less than usual.
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Re: Creating revs: I just don't see it
« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2018, 07:28:55 PM »
Just a point on this interesting post.

I am not convinced that striking power is just speed and revs.   This from a player that has had the luck of bowling with the incredible powerhouse Jimmy Keeth in league and also have a 600 rpm two handed son.

Though both had lots of pin flight that could take pin's to the air to take other pins out. When they decide to go hyper speed strike balls near 20 at the pins they tend not to own all three parts of the pocket for carry: high low and flush.

Yet I have seen less traditionally powerful bowlers such as Walter Ray Williams and Norm Duke get in to phases where they have carry in all 3 parts of the pocket.

I have seen my son also go to a 17.5 speed and less than 500 rpm style and all of sudden have light, flush, high for carry.

Your thoughts...striking power just speed and revs, or the proper mix of each?

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« Last Edit: January 26, 2018, 12:03:57 PM by LuckyLefty »
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Re: Creating revs: I just don't see it
« Reply #23 on: January 22, 2018, 08:10:53 PM »
Proper mix of the two increases the carry %
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Re: Creating revs: I just don't see it
« Reply #24 on: January 22, 2018, 08:14:28 PM »
Bowling is not done in a vacuum thus there is no set or prescribed formula for striking...too many variables
You bowlers attributes...body type, swing plane, ball speed at release, rev rate, rotation, tilt, launch angle..not to mention an ever changing environment
The reason why in most cases, on tour, it appears rev rate & speed win is the mutilation that is done to the so-called conditions...again those ‘designing’ said conditions do not have an actual grasp of topography or possible evolution of the condition incl with the topography...
So no set formula
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Re: Creating revs: I just don't see it
« Reply #25 on: January 22, 2018, 08:42:19 PM »
Quote from: JustRico on January 22, 2018, 08:14:28 PM
Bowling is not done in a vacuum thus there is no set or prescribed formula for striking...too many variables
You bowlers attributes...body type, swing plane, ball speed at release, rev rate, rotation, tilt, launch angle..not to mention an ever changing environment
The reason why in most cases, on tour, it appears rev rate & speed win is the mutilation that is done to the so-called conditions...again those ‘designing’ said conditions do not have an actual grasp of topography or possible evolution of the condition incl with the topography...
So no set formula

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Re: Creating revs: I just don't see it
« Reply #26 on: January 23, 2018, 09:30:56 AM »
I would agree that there is no set formula for creating revs. A loose wrist however is paramount, and it is easier creating revs in a forward roll manner, overall.

I bowled against a two-hander last night in league. Young guy who easily topped 500 revs, throwing around 19-20mph. When he did hit the pocket......he obliterated it! But he continually tried to overpower the lanes, thus sacrificing accuracy!

Not to mention, that while throwing his Hyper-Cell Fuse, he chopped up the lanes on a light-oil condition!

This made it dicey for the rest of us trying to avoid his track. Results were, right lane playing normally with a natural transition, even though on the fresh shot this lane originally hooked like crazy. The left lane started out easy to play, but morphed into an over-under hell because of THAT REVS GUY!

Results: He ended up with two 2 hundred games the first two, and a 155 the last one because he could not carry, even with all those revs!!! 593 set!

My teammates and I just watched where he played....played around him.......moved deeper, and matched our revs to our speed, and ultimately we all scored well. All three of us had 625+ sets!
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Re: Creating revs: I just don't see it
« Reply #27 on: January 23, 2018, 09:45:13 AM »
Quote from: Jesse James on January 23, 2018, 09:30:56 AM
I bowled against a two-hander last night in league. Young guy who easily topped 500 revs, throwing around 19-20mph. When he did hit the pocket......he obliterated it! But he continually tried to overpower the lanes, thus sacrificing accuracy!

Not to mention, that while throwing his Hyper-Cell Fuse, he chopped up the lanes on a light-oil condition!

This made it dicey for the rest of us trying to avoid his track. Results were, right lane playing normally with a natural transition, even though on the fresh shot this lane originally hooked like crazy. The left lane started out easy to play, but morphed into an over-under hell because of THAT REVS GUY!

Results: He ended up with two 2 hundred games the first two, and a 155 the last one because he could not carry, even with all those revs!!! 593 set!

My teammates and I just watched where he played....played around him.......moved deeper, and matched our revs to our speed, and ultimately we all scored well. All three of us had 625+ sets!

Smart move.  Usually when I get into these situations I really emphasize on keeping myself in play, staying near the pocket and MAKING SPARES!  Sometimes it takes 230-240 to advance in brackets or match-play....but sometimes you just have to hop on the horse and grind it out.
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