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Title: need advice on mid price ball
Post by: c1buck on January 18, 2009, 05:10:38 AM
Team member is wanting a new ball that is aggressive but not high price. He plays down and in with Hammer sling blade. Am going to suggest the Copperhead. Any other thoughts would be helpful.
Title: Re: need advice on mid price ball
Post by: TWOHAND834 on January 18, 2009, 01:24:57 PM
Where does he want the aggression?  Is he looking for alot of overall hook or more backend hook?
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Title: Re: need advice on mid price ball
Post by: on January 18, 2009, 01:28:12 PM
The Copperhead will be very smooth, and with some shine will make a more pronounced move late.

If he wants a more skid/snap reaction then I'd recommend the new Rattler, which is very strong late on the lane. For a slightly less snappy reaction the Swarm is great, too.

The Wild Ride is also something unique in that it can handle more oil than the above mentioned balls, yet still finish quite strong. This one should cost slightly more than the Swarm or Rattler. Good luck to him.




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Title: Re: need advice on mid price ball
Post by: golfnutFL on January 18, 2009, 02:59:35 PM
Grand Illusion....very versatile piece.
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Title: Re: need advice on mid price ball
Post by: Gazoo on January 18, 2009, 06:49:45 PM
This is the ball you seek.

http://www.ballreviews.com/Reviews/Reviews.asp?ManufacterID=18&BallID=942
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Title: Re: need advice on mid price ball
Post by: cheech on January 18, 2009, 06:55:23 PM
columbia noize
or if you want something later then polish it
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Title: Re: need advice on mid price ball
Post by: Kid Jete on January 18, 2009, 06:57:55 PM
Emerald or Cherry Vibe
Title: Re: need advice on mid price ball
Post by: drillbit on January 18, 2009, 08:10:56 PM
Ogre pearl.


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Title: Re: need advice on mid price ball
Post by: lenstanles703 on January 18, 2009, 08:40:53 PM
You can get the Cell Pearl very reasonable. Works for Wes Malott. Ogre Pearl is also very good.
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Edited on 1/18/2009 9:42 PM
Title: Re: need advice on mid price ball
Post by: Kid Jete on January 18, 2009, 08:49:23 PM
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Get a high performance ball off internet 4 mid price,,any what is the real differnce between 180 and 200 in the long run,,in my experience everyone i know who buys a mid price ball soon retires it 4 a high performance 1...larry m.



You must not know very many bowlers than.  Not to mention many of the mid priced balls have the same cover/core as some of the past high end stuff.
Title: Re: need advice on mid price ball
Post by: Atochabsh on January 19, 2009, 12:01:27 AM
You can't beat the Hammer Raw series....Anger, Psycho and Acid for price vs performance.  Above and beyond the expectations for the money.  

Erin
Title: Re: need advice on mid price ball
Post by: lsf_21 on January 19, 2009, 12:08:00 AM
if he wants more motion on the backend go with the emerald vibe that ball is one of the more angular balls off the dry i have thrown
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Title: Re: need advice on mid price ball
Post by: SVstar34 on January 19, 2009, 10:38:50 AM
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You can't beat the Hammer Raw series....Anger, Psycho and Acid for price vs performance.  Above and beyond the expectations for the money.  

Erin


BINGO! All of them are great pieces, and the Acid is a new benchmark for Hammer
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Title: Re: need advice on mid price ball
Post by: novawagonmaster on January 19, 2009, 12:25:16 PM
Early/overall strong...Columbia Noize.
Backend flip strong...900G Link.
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Title: Re: need advice on mid price ball
Post by: Spider Man on January 19, 2009, 12:27:21 PM
cherry vibe.
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Title: Re: need advice on mid price ball
Post by: SleepOnIce on January 19, 2009, 03:19:41 PM
I agree with the Raw Hammer series, you could easily make an arsenal out of them if you wanted to (hell, I almost did). The T-Road series is also a great mid-price line. Basically all "mid-price" lines are very good, just usually(please note, not always) lack the advanced high-mass bias balls that some people are in love with.


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Title: Re: need advice on mid price ball
Post by: Country on January 19, 2009, 03:34:05 PM
Anything from the Thunder Line by Storm.

The 3 balls in the line will cover any type of look you want, whether it be early, more in the midlane or something long and angular.

The Hy-Road and T-Road Solid are 2 of the best balls I've ever thrown
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Title: Re: need advice on mid price ball
Post by: mmcfarland300 on January 19, 2009, 03:47:42 PM
C300 Noize it can handle a wide range of patterns and has a great price point.
Title: Re: need advice on mid price ball
Post by: Kid Jete on January 19, 2009, 03:49:38 PM
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Get a high performance ball off internet 4 mid price,,any what is the real differnce between 180 and 200 in the long run,,in my experience everyone i know who buys a mid price ball soon retires it 4 a high performance 1...larry m.



You must not know very many bowlers than.  Not to mention many of the mid priced balls have the same cover/core as some of the past high end stuff.


must be referring to Lane #1 again...

if you want a high performance ball at a low low price i would suggest trying to contact sales reps from a specific company. For example I just purchased an AMF Mega Friction for $85....



Again?  I wasn't referring to any company inparticular.  Most companies (take the vibes for example) will use covers from ghier priced balls and wrap them around simple cores.  It's not rocket science.
Title: Re: need advice on mid price ball
Post by: s_hemker on January 19, 2009, 03:52:37 PM
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Get a high performance ball off internet 4 mid price,,any what is the real differnce between 180 and 200 in the long run,,in my experience everyone i know who buys a mid price ball soon retires it 4 a high performance 1...larry m.


must be referring to lane #1...not everyone likes there equipment let it go...

if you want a high performance ball at a low low price i would suggest trying to contact sales reps from a specific company. For example I just purchased an AMF Mega Friction for $85....
Title: Re: need advice on mid price ball
Post by: J_w73 on January 19, 2009, 03:55:05 PM
I agree with the Anger suggestion.  Drill in with a pin up 4- 5 inch pin to pap and you can get the ball to work on any condition by just changing the surface. 4000 abralon gets down the lane easy with a big backend.. 1000 abralon will be a nice smooth arch.. either one will hit great..
You can get the ball for cheap too.
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Title: Re: need advice on mid price ball
Post by: los2003 on January 19, 2009, 04:00:29 PM
anything from roto.. cell and cell pearl.. the hammer raw and vibes lines are great too...
Title: Re: need advice on mid price ball
Post by: Jay on January 19, 2009, 07:30:02 PM
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Kid i wasn't referring to any company and i guess u werent either,,i know what u r saying but lower price is lower 4 a reason

And it's not the reason you think it is.  Lower prices means the cost to make the ball was lower, if I'm not mistaken.  Just because the cost is less doesn't make it any less good(generally speaking).  Some of the best balls people have thrown are cheaper than some of their least favorite equipment(myself included).

Edited on 1/20/2009 6:00 PM
Title: Re: need advice on mid price ball
Post by: Atochabsh on January 19, 2009, 07:51:21 PM
Mid price I consider less then $175 drilled via a pro shop not internet.  And the Cells and Black Widows, while fantastic balls are not mid priced.  This leaves the Hammer Raw series and the Brunswick BVP line (sidewinder, rattler etc...).  My preferance is for the Hammer series.
Title: Re: need advice on mid price ball
Post by: Gazoo on January 20, 2009, 06:38:27 AM
Todays Mid-priced ball is yesterdays High-end ball. It doesn't lose it's effectiveness just because it's at a lower price today. Realistically, how much can really be done with new core and coverstock formulations.

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Title: Re: need advice on mid price ball
Post by: AngloBowler on January 20, 2009, 08:04:12 AM
I have a Sidewinder, and found it to be much stronger than I was expecting for that price-point. A really good ball all round.
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Title: Re: need advice on mid price ball
Post by: Raven829 on January 20, 2009, 08:20:21 AM
How about something from Roto's Shield or Sword line, such as a Pluto or Grand Illusion?  The Pluto is probably the best "cheap" oiler around, and the Grand Illusion uses a proven core and cover that can be easily tuned.

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Title: Re: need advice on mid price ball
Post by: Danes07 on January 20, 2009, 10:53:01 AM
If the lanes you guys bowl on aren't really heavy oil, then go with the Storm Hy-Road.  Hybrid coverstock gives it nice length and smooth move off the spot.  Drives very hard through the pins.  I haven't left a single 10 pin in the 9 games I've put on it.
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Title: Re: need advice on mid price ball
Post by: MC on January 20, 2009, 11:33:49 AM
Ogre Pearl. Stronger than expected. and cheaper than the performance you receive.
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Title: Re: need advice on mid price ball
Post by: LaneHammer20 on January 20, 2009, 11:41:11 AM
Brunswick Swarm, I cannot stress how good this ball is for the money.


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Title: Re: need advice on mid price ball
Post by: lenstanles703 on January 20, 2009, 02:51:34 PM
The Visionary Ogre line is a great mid-priced line. SS,Pearl,Solid,Particle.
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