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Nor Cal Bowler

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Need some advice for running a Summer League...
« on: February 10, 2009, 05:42:37 AM »
I know we are alittle more then half way through the winter season but I plan on running a league this summer.
This will be the first ever league I have ever ran. I need some tips to hopefully make this somewhat a success.

Its going to be a Sport shot league. (I'm not sure if my center's sport shot has a certified PBA shot or not). The Kegal machine my center has only stores 4 patterns in the machine, THS, Shark, Chameleon, and Scorpion (I believe).

I assume then everyone will have to upgrade their memberships.

Next their are some junior bowlers and adults both interested in doing this league,Im guessing to make this fair to maybe do doubles or singles but Im not sure. Also what to do with a "prize fund".

Im not wanting to do money, but maybe some sort of trophies or something, but not sure if thats gonna be too corny.

Any help will be greatly appreciated!
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Re: Need some advice for running a Summer League...
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2009, 01:47:47 PM »
If you have youth interested in bowling, it has to be singles or they are out of luck.
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Re: Need some advice for running a Summer League...
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2009, 02:06:49 PM »
Why is that?
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Re: Need some advice for running a Summer League...
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2009, 02:15:14 PM »
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Rule 400

 

A.  Except as provided in Item B, a youth may not bowl, substitute or pace in any bowling activity which offers any of the following as prizes:

1.    Cash or bonds.

2.    Merchandise exceeding $500 in value.

B.  Youth may bowl in singles competitions (including side competitions/brackets) offering such prizes, provided, prior to bowling:

1.    The competition agrees to award the youth’s prize in the form of a scholarship or

2.    The youth signs a form waiving his/her rights to any prize in violation of this rule.

 

In youth competition, youth members may participate in side competitions/brackets provided all entries are returned 100% in the form of scholarships only and awards comply with Item A above

 

Buying or selling of earned prizes is prohibited.

 

Any youth bowler deemed in violation of this rule is subject to disciplinary action including the potential loss of youth membership.

 

NOTE:  There are no limits on scholarship amounts or entry fees (must be paid directly to the tournament director/manager) and reimbursement of actual travel expenses into the next higher level of competition or any tournament or event. (Receipts must be provided upon request.)

 

The prizes authorized by a state high school athletic association or a collegiate athletic association recognized by USBC and USBC Collegiate are not subject to the limitations of this rule.


You may want to read the above rule before letting juniors and adults bowl together with money involved. Most leagues don't want to mix juniors and adults unless the prizes are only trophies. Too many legalities involved for someone trying to run their 1st league.

I suggest keep it simple. Either an adult league or a junior league. Singles or doubles only.


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Re: Need some advice for running a Summer League...
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2009, 02:20:24 PM »
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Rule 400

 

A.  Except as provided in Item B, a youth may not bowl, substitute or pace in any bowling activity which offers any of the following as prizes:

1.    Cash or bonds.

2.    Merchandise exceeding $500 in value.

B.  Youth may bowl in singles competitions (including side competitions/brackets) offering such prizes, provided, prior to bowling:

1.    The competition agrees to award the youth’s prize in the form of a scholarship or

2.    The youth signs a form waiving his/her rights to any prize in violation of this rule.

 

In youth competition, youth members may participate in side competitions/brackets provided all entries are returned 100% in the form of scholarships only and awards comply with Item A above

 

Buying or selling of earned prizes is prohibited.

 

Any youth bowler deemed in violation of this rule is subject to disciplinary action including the potential loss of youth membership.

 

NOTE:  There are no limits on scholarship amounts or entry fees (must be paid directly to the tournament director/manager) and reimbursement of actual travel expenses into the next higher level of competition or any tournament or event. (Receipts must be provided upon request.)

 

The prizes authorized by a state high school athletic association or a collegiate athletic association recognized by USBC and USBC Collegiate are not subject to the limitations of this rule.


You may want to read the above rule before letting juniors and adults bowl together with money involved. Most leagues don't want to mix juniors and adults unless the prizes are only trophies. Too many legalities involved for someone trying to run their 1st league.

I suggest keep it simple. Either an adult league or a junior league. Singles or doubles only.


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Which is why I didnt wanna do the cash prize thing and do trophies.

Wasn't gonna charge a large amount for the league, just enough to take care of the fees and trophies...
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Re: Need some advice for running a Summer League...
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2009, 02:26:39 PM »
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Which is why I didnt wanna do the cash prize thing and do trophies.

Wasn't gonna charge a large amount for the league, just enough to take care of the fees and trophies...


That will work. Maybe a doubles league with a team consisting of 1 adult and 1 junior.

The only problem I see with what I suggested is that most adults who can bowl, don't want to bowl unless there's some money to be made (at least in my area).

On second thought, just keep the league all juniors or all adults. Singles works well with juniors while doubles works well for adults. JMO.
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Re: Need some advice for running a Summer League...
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2009, 02:33:42 PM »
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Which is why I didnt wanna do the cash prize thing and do trophies.

Wasn't gonna charge a large amount for the league, just enough to take care of the fees and trophies...


That will work. Maybe a doubles league with a team consisting of 1 adult and 1 junior.

The only problem I see with what I suggested is that most adults who can bowl, don't want to bowl unless there's some money to be made (at least in my area).

On second thought, just keep the league all juniors or all adults. Singles works well with juniors while doubles works well for adults. JMO.
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Ok I see your point and greatly appreciate your help! Anymore will be great!

Im not sure exactly how many youths will be bowling. Thinking about it right now having the fee lower, it might bring on people who may not be very competitive. I guess There can be a cap of entry average...

Anymore thoughts?
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Re: Need some advice for running a Summer League...
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2009, 02:44:03 PM »
I was in a youth/adult league a few years back and we did a deal that everyone got tickets to sixflags.
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Re: Need some advice for running a Summer League...
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2009, 02:57:16 PM »
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Im not sure exactly how many youths will be bowling. Thinking about it right now having the fee lower, it might bring on people who may not be very competitive. I guess There can be a cap of entry average...


I wouldn't want to restrict anyone who want's to bowl from bowling so I wouldn't place a cap. All average's will be adjusted anyway right from the start with the following scale >> http://www.bowl.com/sportbowling/adjustment_scale.aspx

http://www.bowl.com/sportbowling/formats_index.aspx

Above is some formats that can be used.

A way to entice people is to offer a doubles format with 4 games. You bowl 2 games against team A and then move to a different pair and bowl 2 games against team B. The house proprietor may go for it since bowling alleys usually don't do as much business in the summers as league's go. If they know they may get more people to bowl, they just may let you do the 4 games league for the 3 games lineage fee.
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Re: Need some advice for running a Summer League...
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2009, 03:41:03 PM »
Thanks Hog. That is some helpful information!
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Re: Need some advice for running a Summer League...
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2009, 08:10:22 PM »
What I would do, if I were you, is consider running a weekly 9 pin no tap tournament on a PBA/Sport condition.  Run it singles.  Run it no tap so a wider variety of people feel like they have a chance.  Run it handicap.  That way the youth can sign a prize fund waiver form and the adults can still cash.  Weekly bowling would be optional and there would be no extra fee for Sport Sanctioning.  Plus you wouldn't have to even sanction it sport and send in tapes etc.......  

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Re: Need some advice for running a Summer League...
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2009, 08:20:41 PM »
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 Weekly bowling would be optional


The house wants it's lineage and would never accept that. People may drop out left and right if they feel that the shot is too hard and there's no commitments for staying in the league.
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Re: Need some advice for running a Summer League...
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2009, 08:40:06 PM »
Well, if you want more than 3 people to show up, here's what you gotta do.

1) Get sponsors to put up a decent prize fund.

2) Set up big dollar brackets and side pots.

3) 100% super mega handicap, with negative cap for anyone over 215!

4) And here's the important part... You have to put out the "Super-Mega, Come-Back-Next-Year, Rediculously easy, everbody shoots 300" shot.

You do this, and you'll have the fullest league of the happiest sandbaggers you ever did see!

Sure, you have to sacrifice the honor and integrity of the game, but hey!  Success does not come without sacrifice my man!  

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Re: Need some advice for running a Summer League...
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2009, 10:28:38 PM »
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The house wants it's lineage and would never accept that. People may drop out left and right if they feel that the shot is too hard and there's no commitments for staying in the league.


The house is full on night time league bowling schedule even in the summer.  So such a tournament or league would have to be fit in on a evening second shift or during weekend days.  If you want youth to participate then second shift weekdays are out.  

Sure people drop in and out.  But we already have a tournament club doing this in another center in our association during the winter.  

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Re: Need some advice for running a Summer League...
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2009, 10:36:52 PM »
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1) Get sponsors to put up a decent prize fund.

2) Set up big dollar brackets and side pots.

3) 100% super mega handicap, with negative cap for anyone over 215!

4) And here's the important part... You have to put out the "Super-Mega, Come-Back-Next-Year, Rediculously easy, everbody shoots 300" shot.


What are sponsers?  Because that's an unheard of word in our area. We can't get sponsers for things like Bowl for the Cure, much less a cash non charity event.  

big dollar brackets, mean that you have to pay someone to run those big dollar brackets and then they will cause problems for the youth.  Nobody runs brackets for free.  Plus lower average bowlers never want to get into brackets and with negative handicap the higher average bowlers will not participate.  

Negative handicap.....= no participation.

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