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a_ak57

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Need some advice........help.
« on: June 02, 2005, 09:54:43 AM »
Yeah, well after a two month layoff, and the State Tournament this weekend, I finally went bowling again today.  Well, I found out something interesting.  Interesting, but HORRIBLE for me.  TUrns out, my thumb pitch is pretty off for me.  I need a LOT more forward, and more palm lateral in my thumb.  I didn't bowl well, like 160s, before my thumb just gave out and finished the last two games practicing no-thumb.  It's torn up (dead skin and the such) on the side, and at the base of my thumb.  I can tell that I had somehow developed a release to compensate for that.  But now, after not bowling, I've reverted to "normal" form and it hurts like a mofo.

Now what I'm wondering......I'm assuming people have had injuries like this before.  Do you think I'll be able to bowl Saturday morning?  I mean, my options are as follows:

1)  Try to bowl with my thumb.  If it works out, I'd be bowling like normal with a much sounder game, but there is the risk that I might severely damage my thumb, or that it would just hurt and I'd do bad.  This is all dependant on if my thumb can heal in 2 days.
2)  Forget about it, and go no-thumb.  I don't have a problem with that, since I'm accurate enough on strike shots.  But, if it's dry, I'm gonna have a BIG problem with spares since no matter what I do, with a 5-600 rpm release, plastic is going to hook if there's no oil.  So, it'd be physically easier on me, but if there isn't much oil, my scores won't be real high so no real point to bowl.  With dry lanes, hooking plastic the last two games today I managed to average around 175 that way, by the way.

So, what would you all do?  I know, I know, I'll end up deciding Saturday morning, but what option do you think I should lean towards?  I don't know, I suppose I'm odd, but I know that if I go into the tournament with a mindset of bowling one way my odds will be better.  Maybe I'm weird, but if I convince myself I'm going to bowl no-thumb, then just before the tourney decide to go thumb, my insane mind will be thrown off.  Or maybe I'm just paranoid and it won't.
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Re: Need some advice........help.
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2005, 06:12:53 PM »
Go with what will benefit you over the long term. Your thumb situation indicates something is off. What if that something ends up costing you some type of serious damage to your thumb other than some torn skin, such as a ligament tear?
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a_ak57

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Re: Need some advice........help.
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2005, 08:26:31 PM »
Yeah, right now I'm leaning towards just no-thumbing it.  I'm just paranoid about not really messing up my thumb.  I mean, now that I think about it, even if my thumb DOES heal in time, chances are the same exact thing will happen during the tournament....

Looks like I might be bowling this tournament no-thumb....
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Re: Need some advice........help.
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2005, 08:43:43 PM »
Andy, Ide say no thumb it. Befor the end of last season and I knew I was going to stop bowling, I decided to have some fun for the last month or 2, and bowled no thumb, something I can do with some success. I can help you with the spares.

When I first started doing it, I spared with my whole hand, but found that it always missed right, seen as my body had been projecting the ball so far right on the first shot. So what I did was get my plastic, and instead of trying to kill the revs, or compensating for the hook, I revved the bejesus out of the ball, but DIRECTLY up the back. Went pretty much perfectly straight. I used it for 10's and 6's, funnily enough I spared them almost as well as I used to whole handed.

For 3's and 9's just take a less agressive ball, and bowl your strike line, its that simple. If you dont feel confortable with that you can always move way left throw it at the gutter with a bit of hook and pick it up easy.

Left hand side spares were pretty easy. If your comfortable turning the ball most of the lane, use the revs, play the gutter, and your set. If you dont want to play so much hook, use your plastic, and it will give you less turn. I never tried it, but I guess you could always go up the back of the ball ala 10 pin conversion release that I said earlier.

Dont try and swing the whole lane just because you can. But dont try and kill it to keep the swing down. The most power I generated using no thumb was playing a pretty conventional line, through 15-17 out to about 6-7 and back again with a Medium condition ball (my favourite for it was my Triple Threat).


Dry lanes are the problem with this, as you said. Try not to go with plastic, I never had much success with it. The biggest advantage I got from no thumb was the ease at which I could project the ball right, and from deep. As weird as this sounds, play a tight deep line with it when it gets dry. Dont try and swing it the whole lane. Ball will only burn up, and all that power will go to waste.

Have fun with it, cause you know if you get locked in, the strikes are going to come thick and fast.

Im sure there are some full time No thumbers on here that could help you more, but on the off chance they dont see this in time, I thought I would chime in.

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Re: Need some advice........help.
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2005, 08:54:10 PM »
I doubt you suddenly need a pitch change.  After a long layoff, your mechanics were probably way off and/or you were knuckling a lot.  If your thumb wasn't great before, your thumb may have healed/shrank from not using it in the same way.  You may have felt the need to squeeze even more to hold onto the ball.

I can understand if you were dropping the ball thinking you need more forward pitch.  What makes you think you need palm lateral?  I know you don't (or didn't in the past) have a good proshop nearby, but you need to let a qualified proshop find what's best for your hand, not just make educated guesses yourself.  No one would have suggested a bunch of forward for me based on my hand, but it has worked well for me.

Are you sure you're 5-600 RPM's no thumb?  That's a bunch.  Most of the no thumbers I see are higher than average, but few are 500+.  Anyway, the two I've bowled with recently can throw the ball pretty darn straight no thumb.  You really have to throw it dead end over end, but even the 10  can be made no thumb.

Anyway, I'd put enough tape in the thumb so you don't have to grip the heck out of it and at least throw a few (slow) practice shots that way.  If it still hurts, or if you have no confidence that way, no thumb it.  If your thumb doesn't feel too bad, you may at least be able to use it for spares.

BTW, why are you bowling state since you haven't been bowling in quite some time?
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a_ak57

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Re: Need some advice........help.
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2005, 09:05:37 PM »
Thanks for the advice matt.

Strider, I signed up for the state tournament in the beginning of the year, so I'm obligated.  And no, I don't suddenly need pitches, I've always needed it, but now I REALLY notice it, now that my thumb skin has become softer.  Actually, I always had this problem, but during the past season, my thumb skin became stronger and I wasn't affected as much.  I tried about 1/8th lateral before, and that helped some of the pain, but not fully so that's why I'm assuming I should try more anyways.  And the forward is due to the fact I've always had to grip the ball.  Actually, as a test today, I tried to have my hand as free from gripping as possible, and the thing just dropped straight down with a loud bang.  But that's all another issue.  I'll have to have a long discussion with my (new) driller about that and see what he says.  Like you said, it's probably not helping by my lay off, but I needed pitches before anyways.

What I think I'll do, is come prepared to no thumb it, but as you said, take some shots (with tape) with my thumb in and see what happens.  What I'm hoping at the least, is that if I can't just bowl normal, hopefully I'll be able to use my thumb for at least 10 pins or something.

Also, about the lateral thing.  I'm also assuming I need more, because on the downswing, I could feel my thumb pressing and ripping against the right side of the thumb hole, and I remember learning a while back, that you pitch to the side that has pain, which would be the palm side.

Oh and about the revs, yeah I'm sure.  If Nick Smith is around 475-500, I'm definitely above that.  it looks somewhat similar to a video RPM Max posted earlier, in which the rpm rate was around 560-570.
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Edited on 6/2/2005 8:59 PM

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Re: Need some advice........help.
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2005, 10:46:02 PM »
Andy -
Any way you can talk to your new driller and see if he can plug and redrill the thumbhole before the tournament? Might be worth a shot.
Alternatives - Have you tried any "Nu-Skin" or equivalent products to help cover the area and keep your skin in tact. It might take 5-7 layers or more of the stuff to get a good cover on your abrasions/blisters, but this might let you bowl "thumb-in", at least for your spares.
Good luck in the tourney.
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Re: Need some advice........help.
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2005, 11:02:00 AM »
If you use New Skin or any of the equivalent products, use it with a thin layer of cotton and it will hold up much better.  Put down a layer of New Skin and while it's still wet, lay a very thin layer of cotton on top.  Then coat again with New Skin, being sure to "plaster" in all the edges of the cotton.  Let that dry, then add one more coat of New Skin.  Be sure to let it dry completely before throwing a ball.  --  JohnP

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Re: Need some advice........help.
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2005, 02:46:10 PM »
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