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Why don't other PBA players learn from Duke and WRW?
« on: November 10, 2008, 11:39:48 PM »
Two of the most dominate PBA players on tour (DUKE, WRW) have lower rev rates and generally play the outside part of the lanes for their A-game.  Yet, walk into a PBA tourney and you will find that most of the PBA players are guys that have a lot of hand and tend to play deeper lines.  

I often wonder why most of the PBA players don't try to play the lanes like WRW or DUKE?












 

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Re: Why don't other PBA players learn from Duke and WRW?
« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2008, 11:40:57 PM »
i guess i'm on of the few youth who aren't crankers.  i am versatile, but i'm the opposite in that i have a few problems when forced to play deeper when the lanes dry up
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Re: Why don't other PBA players learn from Duke and WRW?
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2008, 01:01:41 AM »
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Walter and Norm are great bowlers. Can anyone name the fastest to 10 titles for me and describe how he throws the ball?
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I do believe his name was Thomas "Tommy" Jones. Now, this was quite a while back, so I don't really remember how he throws the ball...but if I'm not mistaken (and I'm not...) he's got quite a big hook. He's a true 'power' player, as it were, and really gets a lot of the ball at the bottom of the swing.

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Re: Why don't other PBA players learn from Duke and WRW?
« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2008, 01:17:35 AM »
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Walter and Norm are great bowlers. Can anyone name the fastest to 10 titles for me and describe how he throws the ball?
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If you are trying to say that Tommy is better than WRW or Duke, you are wrong. Tommy is one of the best, but he is not as good as WRW or Duke. At least not yet.
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Re: Why don't other PBA players learn from Duke and WRW?
« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2008, 04:08:36 AM »
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Walter and Norm are great bowlers. Can anyone name the fastest to 10 titles for me and describe how he throws the ball?
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If you are trying to say that Tommy is better than WRW or Duke, you are wrong. Tommy is one of the best, but he is not as good as WRW or Duke. At least not yet.
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Re: Why don't other PBA players learn from Duke and WRW?
« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2008, 04:10:16 AM »
One thing that hasn't been mentioned here is the oil conditions. On a ths I can't usually play up the outside because it's too dry. When I bowled (not very well) on a PBX league I could play up the outside and try and adjust the speed to what was needed. My point is, it is the THS that forces people with hand to become crankers. I think alot more people would play straighter if they started out bowling on a PBA type pattern. OTOH ball companies wouldn't sell as many balls.
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Re: Why don't other PBA players learn from Duke and WRW?
« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2008, 05:20:26 AM »
Dont think that Norm and WRW cant get in and wheel the ball like the other guys. Here is good video of Norm moving in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAtlzzOZkzI&feature=related

Then here is one of WRW moving in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8Kh1CY-hl8&feature=related

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Re: Why don't other PBA players learn from Duke and WRW?
« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2008, 06:09:59 AM »
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One thing that hasn't been mentioned here is the oil conditions. On a ths I can't usually play up the outside because it's too dry. When I bowled (not very well) on a PBX league I could play up the outside and try and adjust the speed to what was needed. My point is, it is the THS that forces people with hand to become crankers. I think alot more people would play straighter if they started out bowling on a PBA type pattern. OTOH ball companies wouldn't sell as many balls.



Yup there's your answer.  Give me the volume of oil that a PBX league has on the outside and I'd be stupid to try and swing it.

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Re: Why don't other PBA players learn from Duke and WRW?
« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2008, 06:28:52 AM »
Most boomers don't want to alter their release to be able to play the outside and would rather look good and lose than look bad and win. As some have said on the site "Chicks dig the big hook!"
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Re: Why don't other PBA players learn from Duke and WRW?
« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2008, 07:14:23 AM »
It was interesting listening to Chris Barnes on Xtra Frame last night talking about this.  He was commenting that the house shot tournament was allowing Smith and Rash to go 'all out' with their revs and ball speed for maximum carry, something which the patterns almost never allow them to do on normal tour conditions.  

He also commented on how every players rev rate seems to drop when they come out on tour, I beleive he called it becoming 'tourised' .  He said this was because with the higher rev rate it was more difficult to follow the transitions, and because of the violence of the ball reaction they were going to get badly punished when they throw a bad one or when they miss a transiton, and because of this it was very difficult to keep up with the best in the world.

From listening to the commentery on the TV show Randy is always talking about the power players learning to go straighter, this has been the case with Rash, Jones, Bill O'Niell, Angelo and Smith from memory.  It seems to me like learning to go straight at least some of the time is essential to being a factor week in week out on the tour.    


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Re: Why don't other PBA players learn from Duke and WRW?
« Reply #25 on: November 12, 2008, 09:52:26 AM »
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Walter and Norm are great bowlers. Can anyone name the fastest to 10 titles for me and describe how he throws the ball?


When he won the 2007 TOC, can you describe how he played the lane on the TV show?

Seriously folks "play within your game" is good advice but "your game" isn't going to match up to every lane condition you face. One of the key differences between the guys you see repeating titles on TV and the rest of us mere bowling mortals is the versatility to play different parts of the lane, utilize different releases and speeds, and play the conditions as the condition dictate...not trying to apply a "one size fits all".

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Also, I think a person's build and stature has a lot to do with it. Picture Robert Smith tween the ball at 14 mph off the right corner. Can't do it, can ya?


Actually, I watched him do it in person in the 14 game qualifying rounds in Phoenix in 2005. He was playing up the twig - laydown on the 1 board, breakpoint on the 1 board - and was tripping the 2-pin on light hits for strikes 3-4 times a game (and letting everyone know about it). He didn't stay there all day, but that's where he started.

By the same token, WRW and Norm Duke don't always play down and in. They can both play in and get the ball to turn the corner. Don't judge these guys only by what you see on TV - that's the smallest (albeit most important) part of a tournament. What they're doing on TV is not always what got them on the show.
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