Author Topic: New Ball Surface Scanner interesting results!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Read 8123 times)

raiderh20boy · « **on:** July 18, 2011, 09:06:36 AM »

I just started to have some fun with our new Ball Surface Scanner. So far we have got some very interesting results on some NIBS!! As an example, on a ball listed as 2000 Abralon our scanner shows an average surface of 1746 with a deviation of 638! We have found some NIB up to 800 grit more than listed, and one polished ball that is listed as 500 grit/rough buff/high gloss has a surface avg of OVER 5000!!

Use "IT" and BOWL UP A STORM!!

Sunshine n Lollipops · « **Reply #16 on:** July 19, 2011, 01:57:52 PM »

Interesting results, for sure. Might explain why a ball is a total turd to one bowler and to the other its the Holy Grail of balls. Would be interesting to see which manufacturer is the closest and the most consistent to what they say the finish of the ball is.

Don't believe in the Uzi, it just went off in my hand. I, I believe in love.

Brickguy221 · « **Reply #17 on:** July 19, 2011, 02:24:50 PM »

+1 ... Amen ... I totally agree with Sunshine here.

Sunshine n Lollipops wrote on 7/19/2011 1:57 PM:
Interesting results, for sure. Might explain why a ball is a total turd to one bowler and to the other its the Holy Grail of balls. Would be interesting to see which manufacturer is the closest and the most consistent to what they say the finish of the ball is.

Don't believe in the Uzi, it just went off in my hand. I, I believe in love.

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ccrider · « **Reply #18 on:** July 19, 2011, 02:35:32 PM »

Can you measure the surface on an abralon pad? It would be interesting to know how fast they break down, and to what grit.

CC

raiderh20boy wrote on 7/19/2011 10:39 AM:
I am now printing out ball scans for all the NIBs in my shop to give to my customers! After playing with our Storm Surface Factory machine and different pads I am getting some really close finishes !!

Use "IT" and BOWL UP A STORM!!

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raiderh20boy · « **Reply #19 on:** July 19, 2011, 02:59:17 PM »

ccrider

interesting thought but I would think it's not possible as the scanner has a laser beam in a miniture bowl that is the shape of the ball and the ball passes in front of the beam. The other part would be subjective as how much pressure was used with the pads so I would assume the they would wear a different rates. I have a Storm Surface Factory Pro in my shop so I would assume the wear would be a little more consistant but still vary by not how many times it was used but actual time(minutes) used.

Use "IT" and BOWL UP A STORM!!

Edited by raiderh20boy on 7/20/2011 at 6:00 AM

« **Reply #20 on:** July 19, 2011, 07:43:43 PM »

My point exactly. Duplicating any finish EXACTLY is probably impossible. As an example, much of my own equipment is 500/polish or compund. Anything not shiny is usually 500 and then the final grit. The more steps in between, the longer the ball wants to skid because the underlying grit gets smoothed out more and more.

It's personal preference based on the conditions we face, that is why learning to read ball reaction is priceless. You may not have the perfect surface/ball combination for any given night, but if you can read ball reaction you can usually stay close while others are moaning and groaning how bad the lanes are...

qstick777 wrote on 7/19/2011 9:16 AM:
You can have the same problems with your pro shop. Especially when they have multiple workers.

I know I have the same issue when I use my spinner to play with the surface. I don't keep track of how many times I've used a pad/sandpaper, exact number of drops of polish, and I only use the clock in my head!

I know there are a few on here that keep detailed records on surface changes, pad usage, time, etc, but I doubt that most pro shops do.....at least I've never seen a shop that does!

notclay wrote on 7/19/2011 8:17 AM:

The manufacturer may tell you the specific steps they took, such as 500/1000/polish, but there are still way too many variables that make it impossible to recreate EXACTLY your ball's finish.

Was the abralon (sia air, sandpaper etc.) pad new? Used? Used for how many balls?

What speed was used? How much pressure applied? Water? If so, how much?

How long was spent on each step? 1 minute? 30 seconds? 2 minutes?

Lane Carter, Strike Zone Pro Shops - Salt Lake City, Utah
Brunswick Pro Shop Staff

www.brunswickbowling.com

The opinions expressed are solely those of the writer and not of Brunswick Corporation.

ccrider · « **Reply #21 on:** July 20, 2011, 06:12:43 AM »

I do not disagree. Still, it would be interesting to know how many minutes in a haus machine before 500 becomes 1000 etc. I know there are differences even between first and second gen haus. The info would be helpful and could be garnered from the ball surface.

Those that can do. Those that can't complain. Pimpin ain't easy, but it's mandatory.

Most things we like, we don't need. Most things we need, we don't like. Don't confuse your likes with your needs.

EFFEN 10 · « **Reply #22 on:** July 20, 2011, 05:00:31 PM »

This confirms my reasoning of putting MY version of the Factory surface on new bowling balls after I drill them,but before I throw them.

The more I practice,the luckier I get.

Brickguy221 · « **Reply #23 on:** July 20, 2011, 09:12:17 PM »

500 Grit Abralon and polish for me also on polished balls and 500 and final grit on not shiney balls, same as notclay....

notclay wrote on 7/19/2011 7:43 PM:

My point exactly. Duplicating any finish EXACTLY is probably impossible. As an example, much of my own equipment is 500/polish or compund. Anything not shiny is usually 500 and then the final grit. The more steps in between, the longer the ball wants to skid because the underlying grit gets smoothed out more and more.

It's personal preference based on the conditions we face, that is why learning to read ball reaction is priceless. You may not have the perfect surface/ball combination for any given night, but if you can read ball reaction you can usually stay close while others are moaning and groaning how bad the lanes are...

qstick777 wrote on 7/19/2011 9:16 AM:

You can have the same problems with your pro shop. Especially when they have multiple workers.

I know I have the same issue when I use my spinner to play with the surface. I don't keep track of how many times I've used a pad/sandpaper, exact number of drops of polish, and I only use the clock in my head!

I know there are a few on here that keep detailed records on surface changes, pad usage, time, etc, but I doubt that most pro shops do.....at least I've never seen a shop that does!

notclay wrote on 7/19/2011 8:17 AM:

The manufacturer may tell you the specific steps they took, such as 500/1000/polish, but there are still way too many variables that make it impossible to recreate EXACTLY your ball's finish.

Was the abralon (sia air, sandpaper etc.) pad new? Used? Used for how many balls?

What speed was used? How much pressure applied? Water? If so, how much?

How long was spent on each step? 1 minute? 30 seconds? 2 minutes?

Lane Carter, Strike Zone Pro Shops - Salt Lake City, Utah
Brunswick Pro Shop Staff

www.brunswickbowling.com

The opinions expressed are solely those of the writer and not of Brunswick Corporation.

**********************************************************************

"Whenever I feel the urge to exercise I lie down until the feeling passes away."

Brick

theop879 · « **Reply #24 on:** July 21, 2011, 02:07:59 AM »

I'm not familiar with this tool, never heard of it

Can you explain how this scanner works?

Is it an expensive tool?

I'm interested in results from new balls,

can you notice difference from a used ball between track area en rest of the ball ,

DukeHarding · « **Reply #25 on:** July 21, 2011, 06:49:05 AM »

http://www.toolsforanalysis.com/bowling.html#PBS

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