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stanski

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sport shot ball
« on: December 22, 2004, 02:25:37 PM »
Alright guys, shot on a sport shot for the 6th time this year today, and the conclusion I, and my driller have come to, is that I need a ball stronger than urethane that evens out the backends. Today, we were on a 30 foot pattern buffed to 35, absolutely screaming backends. First game I shot decent, second game I decided to go to my infrequently used spinner releases after seeing that no one shot above 190 first game (8 people were bowling on 4 pairs). This was successful for the next 4 games, where I averaged around 185, while the rest of the crew was averaging in the 150's and 160's (so fun seeing 230 bowlers on ths' struggle to break 150).

My driller came out and watched about the third game, didn't make and comments really. My normal release in a stronger stroker release, I am comfortable swinging as long as I don't have to get the ball to recover too much (slow speed kills carry, Not comfortable throwing over 17, which I was throwing when I tried inside, for 8 games). I ran into problems around game 6, as the backends were still screaming and the heads were fried. Ball doesn't really recover using the heli-release. I then moved in to 4th arrow, swung it out to the 6, but if I got it inside 7 , it was barely nicking the brooklyn headpin, outside 6/faster, barely hitting the headpin. At this time I was throwing a flash point drilled 5 by 5 1/2, box condition, spinner release using a tornado reactive drilled label. Tried the tornado inside, way too snappy.

So after watching me average 156 for the final 3 games, my driller suggested me getting another weak resin and drilling it either pin axis or something close to pin axis. I've never had a pin axis ball, know what to expect pretty much though. He thinks this will even out the backend, reduce the flare allowing me to play the track area a little longer.

So my question is, What balls would you guys suggest I keep in mind when I go talk to my driller again on monday? urethane is out, already have one getting the thumb fixed, just doesn't carry well enough for a similar amount of inconsistency, Tried particle (phenom drilled semi weak, pin 5 inches, mb in track) and solid reactive (both command zone arcs and tpc players) in the 15 mins of practice, Had to throw them way too fast to keep them right. So, any suggestions would be appreciated!
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Re: sport shot ball
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2004, 10:47:28 PM »
ebonite ice....its weeeeeeeeeeeeeak...only seen one thrown(a teammate)...LH pin under middle finger cg just left of grip center..about 2-2 1/2" pin...plays in the dirt with it and it goes  down the lane and turns the corner like how an old man turns a corner on a sunday drive

low flaring stinger core helps on keeping the backend tame(at least from what ive heard)
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stanski

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Re: sport shot ball
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2004, 12:14:35 AM »
That was one ball that popped into my head, but trimax is not a weak coverstock by any means. I can't see that thing being weak unless the drilling is real weak (already have pearl trimax, tpc player, drilled 5 1/2 pin to pap and can't use it on anything less than medium heavy). I've seen it thrown once, looked pretty weak from what I could tell, but they must have really changed the trimax formula for that thing to be even close to a drier spectrum ball, although trimax is great for evening over/under (loved my tpc the other times i've bowled sport).

Other balls I was thinking about with a pin-axis would be a green/blue centaur, Sonic x pearl, Pure hammer (doesn't even seem like urethane from the ones that I have seen), barrage, crisis pearl.

Thanks for the suggestion fonz, keep em coming guys!


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Re: sport shot ball
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2004, 12:50:10 AM »
Stanski,
  Why rule out urethane?  I am thinking that you are regarded those with only a pancake block.  But don't overlook the ones that do: Visionary Blue slate gargoyle, Amulet(they're hard to find but I have one and it hits like a TRUCK)And as crazy as it sounds, you might find success playing outside with a Lane 1 XXXL.

   But if you don't like any of them, I think that you should go with the Pearl sonic X.  I have the solid as well as the pearl.  Just make sure that you drill it WEAK!! Because that ball hooks depending on the drill.  You might want to try to punch it negative, it won't be as jumpy on the dry, but it will give yo a STRONG arc to the pocket.

Hopw you find a ball that fits you

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Re: sport shot ball
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2004, 09:42:23 AM »
On a sport shot (39-41 feet) I have tried the Green/Blue Centaur and the Barrage.  For me, the Barrage got more length, less back-end compared to the Centaur.

The Amulet was a plastic ball, wasnt it?  The Amulet Glow was a urethane and I have not tried that recently on our sport league so I cant compare it to the other two, but can after the beginning of the year.

There are different patterns used for sport conditions.  Sounds like you were bowling on one of the shorter ones.  Usually our patterns are between 39-41 feet.  I would like to try some longer and shorter than the ones we see.
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Re: sport shot ball
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2004, 10:44:13 AM »
Pick out a ball designed to arc. get a short pin 1 to 2". drill it so that the cg is placed negative.

for a reference, I had 2 turbo diesels at one time and can say that they acted totally different on the backend.

one was drilled pin under ring and cg 1/2" neagive. basically a 5 x 5.75.
this ball rolled even and a tight arc. it did not jump off the dry. it was a true control ball for me.

I also had this drilling on a bruiser but it had a longer pin and it was too much off the dry.  if I had to carry only one ball this would be the one. if you flatten your wrist and go striaght at a spare it will do that real well.



You may want to check out the pure hammer also.

just some thoughts.
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Re: sport shot ball
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2004, 11:04:00 AM »
30-35ft pattern usually means playing 10 and out maybe even the gutter. Less axis rotation. Volume dictates cover strength needed. Usually volume and which manufacturers oil will also help you decide on drill pattern as if it is one of the newer high viscosity oils it will tend to carrydown even though the heads might fry. I like med to weaker core designs like a lightbulb but that is what works for me. I like  O degree drills on low RG pearls with the pin in the 4-5" range. Have also seen many long pin drills for when the oil carries down. Getting the ball to read the lane before the dry is key so you don't get such a harsh backend. On the shorter PBA pattern and on a few short sport ones we have tried, straighter or less flare was usually greater.

Reading your prof. For giggles try breaking your wrist back untuck your pinky and keep fingers close together. Try up the boards out around the 5-6 board area. What type lane surface are you bowling on also??
For my style the shorter patterns have always been good scoring if I could play the very outside. (Pattern E)

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Re: sport shot ball
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2004, 11:27:45 AM »
hey there,,

    i would recommend the primal instinct from ebonite....

i picked mine up a few days ago drilled it 5X3 pin under ring figer cg kicked out 2 inches and is about 1 1/2 inches below my centerline.. weight hole is on my verical axis line in thumb quadrant.....

now on to the ball...  i have drilled several balls with this mapping and get pretty much the same result clears the heads with no problem and have a lot of backend snap....  thr primal instinct on the other hand really suprised me... this thing would rev through the heads and just pick up a tremendously heavy roll in the mid lane and roll right through the pins......   this ball didnt have the back end snap i am accustomed to seeing....  this ball really took the backend out of play, i was playing straight up the boards (right around 5-6) and the ball just kind of rolled right into the pocket,  ths ball definately isnt a big hooker, but if ur looking to tame the backends on a sport shot, i would definately consider giving this ball a try....


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Re: sport shot ball
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2004, 02:55:32 PM »
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30-35ft pattern usually means playing 10 and out maybe even the gutter. Less axis rotation. Volume dictates cover strength needed. Usually volume and which manufacturers oil will also help you decide on drill pattern as if it is one of the newer high viscosity oils it will tend to carrydown even though the heads might fry. I like med to weaker core designs like a lightbulb but that is what works for me. I like  O degree drills on low RG pearls with the pin in the 4-5" range. Have also seen many long pin drills for when the oil carries down. Getting the ball to read the lane before the dry is key so you don't get such a harsh backend. On the shorter PBA pattern and on a few short sport ones we have tried, straighter or less flare was usually greater.

Reading your prof. For giggles try breaking your wrist back untuck your pinky and keep fingers close together. Try up the boards out around the 5-6 board area. What type lane surface are you bowling on also??
For my style the shorter patterns have always been good scoring if I could play the very outside. (Pattern E)


Usually the sport shots I've struggled on have been on wood. This particular shot was on wood. did try breaking my wrist and staying behind it, ball would roll out unless I really fired it.

Bowlingmytmouse, i haven't thrown any urethanes with cores, but for me, 3 pc balls seem to hit pretty close to the same as 2 pc. Urethane does not roll through the rack as well as reactive, thats why I partially ruled it out. The only negative drilled ball i've had (rhino pro x) rolled really funky for me, and my driller probably wouldn't drill one negative anyways. Pin axis is just as weak as negative usually.

Lane 1 bowler, Uranium would be wayyy too strong for this pattern. Talk about overpowering the lanes, I already have balls similar to a uranium already.

Omega bowler, some good ideas there, i'll keep them in mind, same with you brian and mi 2 az.
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Re: sport shot ball
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2004, 03:46:40 PM »
DynoThanes new Crisis Pearl,....
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Re: sport shot ball
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2004, 03:56:54 PM »
I deffinitly have to agree with the urethane statement here. If you get a urethane ball with a core, like the ones listed, you will have no problem with carry or drive. The reason it seems like it doesnt carry or drive as well is because it is such a MELLOW reaction on the back end, its not hammering into the pins with tons of force, but they still carry. I would at least try a urethane with a core.
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Re: sport shot ball
« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2004, 01:30:59 AM »
I meant a Glowing Amulet, I forgot that there were 2 different ones.  But the Glowing was urethane, and its a monster.  Must be that radioactive coverstock. LOL

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