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dougb

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New balls with strong cores but weaker covers.
« on: September 23, 2018, 03:08:10 PM »
I used to be a regular poster here but took a long hiatus from bowling when kids and life took precedence. I'm looking to get back in.

I'm wondering out of today's equipment is anyone making a ball with a strong core but a tamer cover?  Something that will rev up nicely in the mid-lane but not go crazy or burn up when it hits the friction.  I understand that drilling and surface prep make a big difference, but even a few years ago I did well with older balls with strong cores but mellower coverstocks.

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Re: New balls with strong cores but weaker covers.
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2018, 04:05:33 PM »
Quote from: dougb on September 23, 2018, 03:08:10 PM
I used to be a regular poster here but took a long hiatus from bowling when kids and life took precedence. I'm looking to get back in.

I'm wondering out of today's equipment is anyone making a ball with a strong core but a tamer cover?  Something that will rev up nicely in the mid-lane but not go crazy or burn up when it hits the friction.  I understand that drilling and surface prep make a big difference, but even a few years ago I did well with older balls with strong cores but mellower coverstocks.

Thanks

If you can throw 16lb here is the ultimate example (love mine so can vouch for it) - https://www.bowlerscellar.com/apps/webstore/products/show/864762

For something more modern they are asym but the 900 Global Ops balls (Tactical Ops, Black Ops, Covert Ops) might fight the bill.   Symmetric options include AMF Ninja Pearl SE, DV8 Freakshow Flip for pearls and AMF Ninja SE and Ebonite Destiny Solid for solids. 
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Re: New balls with strong cores but weaker covers.
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2018, 05:03:01 PM »
For that reason I went with a 900 Global Badger, Pin in the ring finger. Strong yet controllable. Carries the ten pin better than anything Ive seen in years
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Re: New balls with strong cores but weaker covers.
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2018, 06:15:55 PM »
Quote from: Dcb5739 on September 23, 2018, 05:03:01 PM
For that reason I went with a 900 Global Badger, Pin in the ring finger. Strong yet controllable. Carries the ten pin better than anything Ive seen in years

Seems like 900 Global is the brand family to look at if this what he is looking for.
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Re: New balls with strong cores but weaker covers.
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2018, 06:32:53 PM »
Agree guys.
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dougb

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Re: New balls with strong cores but weaker covers.
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2018, 08:41:12 PM »
Thanks for all the responses.  I haven't thrown 900 Global since they first started. 

I was also looking at AMF.  I had an AMF Heist Pearl with the MOtion hole drilling on it.  It made the ball rev up like nobody's business but that smooth cover kept a controlled motion at the break point.  I won a lot of money with that ball but let it go when I dropped to 14lbs.
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Re: New balls with strong cores but weaker covers.
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2018, 12:26:56 AM »
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Something that will rev up nicely in the mid-lane but not go crazy or burn up when it hits the friction.

Wouldn't you be looking for a low Rg type ball that will read earlier and put the correct layout for you and lane condition?  To me low Rg balls with good weight block cover match is what you would want.

I don't think of many 900G balls that have weak covers.  Maybe the After Dark's.  I guess it all depends on your stats. and lane condition plus what you are trying to achieve.  Low Rg in general = earlier and more mid lane read and smoother all dependent on stats. and lane condition plus surface.

Go crazy = higher Rg more length and more flip again very dependent on various factors.  I'd opt for lower Rg type balls that's where I would start looking.  Most companies have some. 
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Re: New balls with strong cores but weaker covers.
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2018, 12:33:27 AM »
Quote from: scotts33 on September 24, 2018, 12:26:56 AM
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Something that will rev up nicely in the mid-lane but not go crazy or burn up when it hits the friction.

Wouldn't you be looking for a low Rg type ball that will read earlier and put the correct layout for you and lane condition?  To me low Rg balls with good weight block cover match is what you would want.

I don't think of many 900G balls that have weak covers.  Maybe the After Dark's.  I guess it all depends on your stats. and lane condition plus what you are trying to achieve.  Low Rg in general = earlier and more mid lane read and smoother all dependent on stats. and lane condition plus surface.

Go crazy = higher Rg more length and more flip again very dependent on various factors.  I'd opt for lower Rg type balls that's where I would start looking.  Most companies have some. 

Precisely what I meant when I said strong core.  Does anyone make a ball with a lower RG but low differential?  I have a spinner so making cover adjustments is not a problem.

As for me, low revs/low speed stroker who likes to play the outside.  My favorite line is the twig, but for that line I will buy something else.
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Re: New balls with strong cores but weaker covers.
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2018, 12:36:21 AM »
Quote from: dougb on September 24, 2018, 12:33:27 AM
Quote from: scotts33 on September 24, 2018, 12:26:56 AM
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Something that will rev up nicely in the mid-lane but not go crazy or burn up when it hits the friction.

Wouldn't you be looking for a low Rg type ball that will read earlier and put the correct layout for you and lane condition?  To me low Rg balls with good weight block cover match is what you would want.

I don't think of many 900G balls that have weak covers.  Maybe the After Dark's.  I guess it all depends on your stats. and lane condition plus what you are trying to achieve.  Low Rg in general = earlier and more mid lane read and smoother all dependent on stats. and lane condition plus surface.

Go crazy = higher Rg more length and more flip again very dependent on various factors.  I'd opt for lower Rg type balls that's where I would start looking.  Most companies have some. 

Precisely what I meant when I said strong core.  Does anyone make a ball with a lower RG but low differential?  I have a spinner so making cover adjustments is not a problem.

As for me, low revs/low speed stroker who likes to play the outside.  My favorite line is the twig, but for that line I will buy something else.

Storm IQ Tour or Motiv Venom Shock.
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Re: New balls with strong cores but weaker covers.
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2018, 12:39:13 AM »
dougb---Is there enough oil out by the gutter where you bowl?  Most wet/dry walls of today have very little volume outside of 8 maybe your center is different?

If you see BTM and/or BJI reviews look for the smooth shape balls in BTM that number is around 6.

One ball that I use on light-medium to medium and is my bench mark and is a medium friction solid is a Motiv Venom Shock.  I also use 14's.  14 lb. 2.52 .029 and a solid medium friction cover.....takes cover adjustments very well.  The ball has been in the Motiv line-up since 2014 they can't replace it it's that stable of a ball and still a good seller. 
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Re: New balls with strong cores but weaker covers.
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2018, 07:52:19 AM »
The best all around stuff now if found in the mid-performance line of all manufactures.  Small core balls are usually in the entry-level stuff.

If you really want versatility, the Storm Phase 2,  Rotogrip Idol ... the list goes on forever.  It sounds like you want early and smooth which is ANY symmetric with RG diff > .045 and a low RG value.

If you are on wood lanes, then look into the entry level lines if you have any amount of hand.
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Re: New balls with strong cores but weaker covers.
« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2018, 11:32:21 AM »
Just mentioned 900 Global because imo according to #s they tend to have more balls that skew towards stronger cores with big diffs paired with middle of the road or weaker coverstocks (ie core stronger than coverstock).  As others have mentioned though that might not be what would be ideal for what OP is looking for.  Nearly every brand now has at least one or more symmetric balls with a low RG and low diff but still fairly strong coverstock.  Everyone's answer to the IQ Tour.
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Re: New balls with strong cores but weaker covers.
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2018, 11:43:52 AM »
IQ Tour is no doubt a ball I personally would consider but IMO it's stronger than the Venom Shock.  All depends on dougb's stats and lane conditions.  If dougb is speed dominant then IQ Tour if rev dominant Venom Shock. 

Eruption Pro Blue is also one of these lower RG smoother balls.  There are a few others. 
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Re: New balls with strong cores but weaker covers.
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2018, 04:48:44 PM »
Quote from: scotts33 on September 24, 2018, 11:43:52 AM
IQ Tour is no doubt a ball I personally would consider but IMO it's stronger than the Venom Shock.  All depends on dougb's stats and lane conditions.  If dougb is speed dominant then IQ Tour if rev dominant Venom Shock. 

Eruption Pro Blue is also one of these lower RG smoother balls.  There are a few others. 

I can attest to this. With the same late, and bowling on the same conditions, the IQ (For me) is easily 4-5 boards stronger; As milo mentioned, the Shock would be a good start; Earlier, rally, and SMOOTH/predictable ball motion.
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Re: New balls with strong cores but weaker covers.
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2018, 09:22:06 PM »
Quote from: leftybowler70 on September 24, 2018, 04:48:44 PM
Quote from: scotts33 on September 24, 2018, 11:43:52 AM
IQ Tour is no doubt a ball I personally would consider but IMO it's stronger than the Venom Shock.  All depends on dougb's stats and lane conditions.  If dougb is speed dominant then IQ Tour if rev dominant Venom Shock. 

Eruption Pro Blue is also one of these lower RG smoother balls.  There are a few others. 

I can attest to this. With the same late, and bowling on the same conditions, the IQ (For me) is easily 4-5 boards stronger; As milo mentioned, the Shock would be a good start; Earlier, rally, and SMOOTH/predictable ball motion.

Venom Shock for whatever reason is just as strong for me as my IQ Tour (drillings being different most of it I guess).  The Shock definitely goes a little longer and has more back end and carries a little better for me on pocket hits but the amazing thing about the IQ Tour for me is how much miss room it gives me and still gets to pocket.  I absolutely kill it in No Tap with that ball.  It is butter smooth.  Only ball I have anything like it is my Warlock XV but only the IQ Tour is my break glass in case completely lost ball.
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