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MichiganBowling

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New problems with house shots!!!
« on: July 14, 2004, 02:13:13 AM »
Ok, how do I say this...I think I forgot how to bowl on a house shot!

I've noticed this the past few summers.  I bowl on a PBA pattern sweeper on Tuesday, bowl bad on Wednesday in my regular league.  Then it takes me about a month to remember how to bowl once fall leagues start.

This summer has got to be the worst ever for this.  Perhaps it is my inability to overcome something here, or perhaps it is natural, I do not know.  I've been bowling on sport shots and PBA shots quite regularly this summer, and whenever I bowl a house shot tournament I start out pretty good, and then I gradually go down hill.  Something like this--235, 201, 176, 152.  Every time!!!  If it isn't that drastic it's just because the lanes were so unbelievably forgiving that day!

Does anybody else have this problem?
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Re: New problems with house shots!!!
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2004, 05:53:34 PM »
I'm bowling twice a week on sport conditions. If I happen to have the time, I'm practicing once a week on a house shot.
yep. I shot 523 the other day on a house shot in a tourney. Went out a couple of nights before and practiced, shot around 625.
Now this is a house I don't normally bowl in, but geesh!!
Awful.

Now - on the reverse side of that - I bowled a scratch tourney a couple of weeks ago on a house shot - going into the last game of the finals, I was leading by 127 ahead of the next closest bowler. (and that was for the first 2 games...)
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Jeff The Chef

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Re: New problems with house shots!!!
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2004, 06:08:36 PM »
I have a similar problem in that my house only lays out a THS about 3 times a year and the rest of the time I bowl on dried up leftovers from daytime leagues, or the previous days slop.

What happens to me is, I am so used to throwing it faster than I really should for the amount of revs I put on the ball, that when I go to other houses I forget that it is fresh oil and throw it faster than I should. It usually takes me a game or so to get settled down and stop throwing the ball through the breakpoint and then I will move in, slow down, and start reading the lanes better.

A typical set on the THS at another house for me, will look like this 185 - 230 - 240.

So yeah, I forget how to bowl on THS's too.....just for a different reason than you.
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Re: New problems with house shots!!!
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2004, 06:12:01 PM »
Not too too long ago, someone posted in these forums a great explanation of why better bowlers who are more accustomed to a tough shot, sometimes don't score that well on a soft "house" shot.  Like you, I bowl a PBA league on Tuesday night, then a "typical" league complete with house shot on Fridays.

Since your scores start out well and then decline on the house shot, I can think of two possible problems:

1) You're getting mentally lazy, even if it is subconscious.  You know on those tougher PBA patterns that every shot counts.  As you bowl more games on the house shot, seeing errant shots not penalized, do you continue to bear down and focus on execution as much as you would on the PBA patterns?  The mood during recreational leagues is often not the same as that of a more competitive league.  Make sure your mental game isn't slipping.

2) Transition and adjustment.  On the PBA patterns, we often need to make adjustments that would not work on a "house" shot (and vice-versa).  Also, the PBA patterns are often "broken down" by the better bowlers bowling on them where the "house" shot is often broken down by people using plastic and spraying shots from the middle of the lane out.  Again, each case calls for a different type of adjustment.  Maybe try to keep your adjustments on the house shot simple.
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Re: New problems with house shots!!!
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2004, 06:35:29 PM »
I've seen a few of the really good PBA guys around here actually struggle on the THS especially compared to the house hacks that are just tearing it up.  I have asked a couple why they aren't mopping the floor on these easy lanes.  

Part of the problem is that bowling balls that work well on PBA patterns do not work well on THS and vice versa.  

Another reason is that even when the pros are not sharp, they still hit their target much more often than the house hacks, however, the house hack doesn't need to hit his target on the great wall.


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Re: New problems with house shots!!!
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2004, 06:45:55 PM »
Gee, and I thought it was just me.    

I've always had the problem of struggling on the THS conditions when everyone else is shooting lights out and then bowling my average when the lane condition is more difficult and everyone else's scores are way down.  When I bowled on the 'sport' league we had last year, I averaged the same as I did on the THS and everyone else was lower than their THS average.

I definately need to learn how to play a THS.  
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Re: New problems with house shots!!!
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2004, 06:48:10 PM »
On a typical house shot I play about 20 to 10 or 12(right handed).
On the Pba Conditions I have been playing straight up 2-8. I am actually becoming very comfortable playing that line and when I try it on a house shot I must use a plastic ball to keep on the right side of the head pin.

So I believe by my own experience is that you start to get comfortable playing a different part of the lane and this part of the lane is not always the best on a house shot. Plus during the summer the lanes are typically drier and not oiled as often (less leagues, etc.)

MichiganBowling

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Re: New problems with house shots!!!
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2004, 06:59:09 PM »
janderson, I'm sure your first suggestion is right on the money.  Unfortunately, I know it is all mental, and am having major difficulties doing anything about it.  I try to keep my head in there, but just can't seem to do it.

It's good to hear that I'm not alone on this.  I can easily go out and average 190-210 on PBA patterns now, but seriously struggle to even shoot 200 on most THS patterns.  Once in a while, however, I'll start out good enough on the THS to push me over the edge before losing concentration during the end of the tournament

I guess I just need to practice concentration more.  Perhaps I am concentrating too much on results rather than where exactly my ball is going.  Hmmmmm
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Re: New problems with house shots!!!
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2004, 07:42:19 PM »
Maybe if you are USED to bowling on TOUGHER conditions, you are TRYING to hit TOO precise a target area.  Just RELAX and let 'er RIP, except for Mullet Warrior's idea of THAT.
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Re: New problems with house shots!!!
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2004, 09:47:57 PM »
Im bowling better on the house shot now because its so much eaiser compared to my sport shot league.
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