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thedjs

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New Rules Question
« on: July 03, 2019, 04:41:14 PM »
From what I understand, as of August 1 of this year you can only clean your ball with a dry rag or towel.  In my house that's going to be a real problem because many times some black stuff (rubber or something like that) gets all over the ball after about one game.  A dry towel will not get it off.  It can affect the way the ball rolls and will even stick to your hands.  (I don't think your hands are covered by the new rule)

My question is, can a league vote to over-ride this rule and allow bowlers to clean their balls with something like alcohol when this happens.  Or do you have to get approval from the league officers each time that it occurs (which can be a real problem when you're on 30 and they are on 1.)   Any ideas would be appreciated. 
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Re: New Rules Question
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2019, 06:43:04 PM »
Yes on August 1, 2019, only a dry towel can be used to clean your bowling ball during competition.

No the league can't change that rule in the league rules.

If you have something on the ball you can't get off with the dry towel, You have to contact a league or tournament official about using a cleaning product.
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Re: New Rules Question
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2019, 08:57:12 PM »
>No the league can't change that rule in the league rules.

Unless they go unsanctioned which I am sure at least some on the fence probably will.
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Re: New Rules Question
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2019, 03:32:31 AM »
Quote from: Aloarjr810 on July 03, 2019, 06:43:04 PM

If you have something on the ball you can't get off with the dry towel, You have to contact a league or tournament official about using a cleaning product.

I think most league officers will allow you to clean gunk off the ball, but if they ever say no then make sure they can't clean theirs either. 
This is one of the dumbest moves USBC has ever made.  We are using cleaners approved by them...

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Re: New Rules Question
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2019, 12:43:28 PM »
Good point notclay.  Just remember we are talking about an organization that thinks keeping bowlers in  dark about lane patterns at nationals is good for the game
  If these guys ran golf,  they wouldn't allow yardage markets at the US Open.
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Re: New Rules Question
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2019, 01:58:07 PM »
Quote from: avabob on July 04, 2019, 12:43:28 PM
Good point notclay.  Just remember we are talking about an organization that thinks keeping bowlers in  dark about lane patterns at nationals is good for the game
  If these guys ran golf,  they wouldn't allow yardage markets at the US Open.

avabob,

Thanks. I play golf and WISH I could hit the ball where I think it was going, even with exact yardages from my laser rangefinder... :D
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Re: New Rules Question
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2019, 11:03:09 AM »
>> We are using cleaners approved by them...

Is everyone? Are you sure? Just because the bottle says approved anytime doesn't mean that is what is in the bottle. This is part of the reason for the rule.
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Re: New Rules Question
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2019, 12:04:32 PM »
Quote from: avabob on July 04, 2019, 12:43:28 PM
Good point notclay.  Just remember we are talking about an organization that thinks keeping bowlers in  dark about lane patterns at nationals is good for the game
  If these guys ran golf,  they wouldn't allow yardage markets at the US Open.

This is silly. Guys cry when the pattern is released and guys cry when it is not released. No matter what, Joe Bowler is going to shoot 1500  whether he knows the pattern or not.
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Re: New Rules Question
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2019, 01:05:04 PM »
Quote from: northface28 on July 08, 2019, 12:04:32 PM
Quote from: avabob on July 04, 2019, 12:43:28 PM
Good point notclay.  Just remember we are talking about an organization that thinks keeping bowlers in  dark about lane patterns at nationals is good for the game
  If these guys ran golf,  they wouldn't allow yardage markets at the US Open.

This is silly. Guys cry when the pattern is released and guys cry when it is not released. No matter what, Joe Bowler is going to shoot 1500  whether he knows the pattern or not.

You're being a bit generous, friend.
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Re: New Rules Question
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2019, 05:19:35 PM »
So today we bowled in the house I mentioned when starting this post.  After four frames the ball was covered with some type of coating and little bits of rubber.  A lot of this was in the track area.  IT WILL NOT WIPE OFF WITH A DRY CLOTH.  This was on a solid cover stock.  So midway in the second game I changed to a polished pearl.  Took about 4 frames and the ball was covered with the film and bits of rubber.  I finished out the game with this ball and by the end of the set you could almost hear the ball trying to stick to the alley.  Like I said, IT WILL NOT WIPE OFF WITH A DRY CLOTH NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRY.

When we got home my wife, who bowls with me, had to put both of our shirts in the washer and are just hoping this stuff will wash out. 

I plan to make a motion in out fall league meeting that we can clean the balls (when this happens) with the approval of the opposing team captain and not have to run down the league officers who might be all the way on the other end of the house.  I don't care if it's legal or not.  This rule is ridiculous and needs to be changed.  Maybe if enough of us complain, something will get done.  Or maybe they are just like the Bolmor lanes I bowl on and just don't give a rat's butt.

Sorry for the rant.
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Re: New Rules Question
« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2019, 06:27:18 PM »
Quote from: Impending Doom on July 08, 2019, 01:05:04 PM
Quote from: northface28 on July 08, 2019, 12:04:32 PM
Quote from: avabob on July 04, 2019, 12:43:28 PM
Good point notclay.  Just remember we are talking about an organization that thinks keeping bowlers in  dark about lane patterns at nationals is good for the game
  If these guys ran golf,  they wouldn't allow yardage markets at the US Open.

This is silly. Guys cry when the pattern is released and guys cry when it is not released. No matter what, Joe Bowler is going to shoot 1500  whether he knows the pattern or not.

You're being a bit generous, friend.

You’re right, I’m being too generous. 1425.
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Re: New Rules Question
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2019, 06:48:27 PM »
 This rule is stupid, but not how you think it is.

 Its stupid because there isnt any cleaner known to man that you can simply wipe onto a ball to clean it with that will make that big a difference.

 Now, you can soak it in something for a prolonged period, or wipe something onto the surface of the ball that doesnt come back off and changes the ball that way, but just wiping it with a liquid that evaporates, or one that is wiped back off the ball, isnt going to substantially change the reaction of the ball in just the few seconds it takes to clean it.

USBC, grow some brains, please?
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Re: New Rules Question
« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2019, 08:42:43 PM »
I suggest that for the bowlers who bowl in centers that are like this, on the first night of fall league form a line with the designated league officials waiting on a decision to clean it or allowing you to do it.   I bet after a couple of weeks they won't care anymore.  And hopefully the centers that allow their lanes and equipment to still allow this garbage to get on bowlers equipment might actually step up and clean their centers
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Re: New Rules Question
« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2019, 09:24:28 PM »
Quote from: Pat Patterson on July 08, 2019, 08:42:43 PM
I suggest that for the bowlers who bowl in centers that are like this, on the first night of fall league form a line with the designated league officials waiting on a decision to clean it or allowing you to do it.   I bet after a couple of weeks they won't care anymore.  And hopefully the centers that allow their lanes and equipment to still allow this garbage to get on bowlers equipment might actually step up and clean their centers

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Re: New Rules Question
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2019, 09:11:11 AM »
Quote from: thedjs on July 08, 2019, 05:19:35 PM
So today we bowled in the house I mentioned when starting this post.  After four frames the ball was covered with some type of coating and little bits of rubber.  A lot of this was in the track area.  IT WILL NOT WIPE OFF WITH A DRY CLOTH.  This was on a solid cover stock.  So midway in the second game I changed to a polished pearl.  Took about 4 frames and the ball was covered with the film and bits of rubber.  I finished out the game with this ball and by the end of the set you could almost hear the ball trying to stick to the alley.  Like I said, IT WILL NOT WIPE OFF WITH A DRY CLOTH NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRY.

When we got home my wife, who bowls with me, had to put both of our shirts in the washer and are just hoping this stuff will wash out. 

I plan to make a motion in out fall league meeting that we can clean the balls (when this happens) with the approval of the opposing team captain and not have to run down the league officers who might be all the way on the other end of the house.  I don't care if it's legal or not.  This rule is ridiculous and needs to be changed.  Maybe if enough of us complain, something will get done.  Or maybe they are just like the Bolmor lanes I bowl on and just don't give a rat's butt.

Sorry for the rant.


Chapter 8, 4-B of the 2018-2019 rule book (page 88) states that no foreign material may be placed on the outer surface of the ball. you have a foreign material on the surface of your ball that could also then get on the lane and have adverse affects to other bowlers as well.

So by this rule, the foreign substance on your ball deems it illegal. Yet the new rule deems it illegal to remove the substance, because a dry towel doesn't always get those belt markings off. Hence the STUPIDITY and contradiction of the rule.



http://usbcongress.http.internapcdn.net/usbcongress/bowl/rulebook/2018-2019Rulebook.pdf
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