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Mighty Fish

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Newspaper coverage: golf 977 inches, bowling ZERO
« on: March 03, 2013, 09:26:28 PM »
Isn't it ridiculous when a newspaper devotes 977 column inches to local golf scores while allotting ZERO space to local bowling scores?

Members of a foursome finishing third in a local golf scramble get their names published, but a bowler rolling a perfect game gets no recognition whatsoever.

http://www.examiner.com/article/herald-tribune-devotes-977-inches-to-golf-while-bowling-gets-no-space?cid=db_articles

 

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Re: Newspaper coverage: golf 977 inches, bowling ZERO
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2013, 10:02:27 PM »
This isn't news....our sport is a joke when bowlers are throwing 20 300 games per year now...guys are averaging 240+ with regularity....monster 800s are not shocking anymore.

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Re: Newspaper coverage: golf 977 inches, bowling ZERO
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2013, 11:12:31 PM »
Bowling isn't considered a sport its consider a game. No body post winning at Monopoly in the sports section either. 
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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Re: Newspaper coverage: golf 977 inches, bowling ZERO
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2013, 07:19:39 AM »
Russell has it exactly right.  Our local paper has a bowling column once a week, but it's basically just adding new names to the season honor roll.  If you don't have a game over 279 or a series over 750, your name won't be in there.  Had several 840s this year, even had a guy shoot 877, but it's just the little column in there like usual. 
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Re: Newspaper coverage: golf 977 inches, bowling ZERO
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2013, 08:24:12 AM »
When I was still competing and on tour, I spoke to an editor of the sports section of the LA Times (also where I was from)...I asked why they snubbed bowling, as being such a highly participated sport/game...he said they had NEVER recieved a call or a letter from a bowler or bowlers complaining about the lack of coverage...he figured if bowlers didn't care why should they...
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Re: Newspaper coverage: golf 977 inches, bowling ZERO
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2013, 09:00:13 AM »
Ball reviews needs like and dislike buttons . . would definitely like the last post from JustRico
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Re: Newspaper coverage: golf 977 inches, bowling ZERO
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2013, 09:27:38 AM »
Members of a foursome finishing third in a local golf scramble get their names published, but a bowler rolling a perfect game gets no recognition whatsoever.

How many bowlers stay around in league today to watch a perfect game thrown?

Most bowlers could care less seeing someone throw a 300 game. I have seen the attitude change in my area (Just like all of us have seen). Everyone used to stay and watch a 300 game thrown. Just recently a league bowler was going for a 300 in his last game. 10 years ago everyone in the league would have watched. Cheering him on as he makes each shot in the 10th.  Now 90% of league could care less. It's not special anymore. It's been done too many times.

The perfect game means nothing to the bowling comunity anymore. High scores and averages have no indication to a bowler's skill level. They are just scores and nothing more.
 
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Re: Newspaper coverage: golf 977 inches, bowling ZERO
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2013, 10:47:28 AM »
So my friends 236 average and 500 revs are not an indication of any skill above the guy with a 140 average?  ok  :o

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Re: Newspaper coverage: golf 977 inches, bowling ZERO
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2013, 11:11:32 AM »
So my friends 236 average and 500 revs are not an indication of any skill above the guy with a 140 average?  ok  :o

Cav

Is he more skilled than the 140 average...sure....not sure what that has to do with what we're saying.  You're taking a commentary about the sport being dumbed down and blowing it out of proportion.

I average 236 in league and literally bowl 3 games a week....never practice.  You want to show me another sport where someone can score at an elite level and never put any time to it?

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Re: Newspaper coverage: golf 977 inches, bowling ZERO
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2013, 11:22:12 AM »
So my friends 236 average and 500 revs are not an indication of any skill above the guy with a 140 average?  ok  :o

Cav

Is he more skilled than the 140 average...sure....not sure what that has to do with what we're saying.  You're taking a commentary about the sport being dumbed down and blowing it out of proportion.

I average 236 in league and literally bowl 3 games a week....never practice.  You want to show me another sport where someone can score at an elite level and never put any time to it?

I am going through the same thing in my league.  I have high average by almost 4 pins and only throw 3 games a week.  The guys that are behind me are guys that bowl 2-3 leagues a week and at least one tournament a month.  For me, it is more about knowledge than my skill level.  Even if I know I am not throwing it that good, I know what ball to use and where to throw it to give me the best chance at hitting the pocket with a good carry percentage.

We had a guy here about 10 years ago that would post scores once a week from a few centers in the area.  But, it got to a point to where you would have one guy with 5+ entries in there every week as well as the same names showing up over and over again.  Another downfall...is that when you live in a city with 30-40 bowling centers, it may be a little hard to keep track of them all.  So they just stopped posting scores in the paper.  What I did like, is every once in a long while, they would spotlight a bowler and do an article/interview on them.  I wish they did that more than just posting scores.
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Re: Newspaper coverage: golf 977 inches, bowling ZERO
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2013, 11:28:34 AM »
Man, this thread is exactly what I've been preaching for YEARS.  Read my open letter to the USBC thread, this is nearly exactly what I tell them.  Yes a 236 bowler is better than a 140 bowler, but the story is really the 236 bowler vs another 236 bowler on a tougher pattern.  Score is no longer an indication of skill between bowlers that score similarly.  Now saying someone is a 230 average gives me no idea of how good they really are.  Plenty of guys who can score astronomical numbers on a house shot and go to nationals and shoot sub 500.  20 years ago, if you said somebody averaged 200, you had a lot better idea how good they were, because you just couldn't average 200 back then without knowing what you were doing.

There's a kid here in town that's been in adult leagues for a few years.  Handful of honor scores, averages around 220.  Recently he's been struggling, and someone trying to help asked him where he's been playing at, kid didn't know what he meant.  Guy then asked him what he was aiming at, the kid didn't have a clue, he just said he either threw the ball inside or outside, he really didn't aim at anything.  So cav, you think this kid is just as good as someone who averaged 220 20 years ago? 

Bowling gets really boring when your work and effort and time and skill doesn't really get you anywhere.  I averaged 230 when I was practicing all the time and putting in all the time and effort, and average 228 now just showing up and tossing it, I haven't practiced in years.  Now, I really notice it when I move on to our summer PBA league, always shoot 550 the first several weeks before I turn the brain back on and stay after league to practice.  It's really a wake up to take the house shot killers and put them on a PBA shot, all the sudden they're easy money. 
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Re: Newspaper coverage: golf 977 inches, bowling ZERO
« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2013, 11:44:44 AM »
I have some golf questions, being only vaguely familiar with golf courses and their rules.

I know one way golf uses to make courses easier or harder is to move the tee area backward. This seems a method only meant to increase difficulty for those of very limited skill or strength. What I am referring to is the strength of golf clubs and the resiliency or coefficient of restitution of golf balls. I think both of these make it very easy for someone of average or less skill to drive balls as far as the pros used to, maybe 40 or 50 years ago. Now much of this is assumption on my part; I am guessing, please correct me if I'm wrong. Of course the definition of "skill level" can vary greatly.

In any case, drives are one part of the game. Putting is another; I'm not sure what it's called, but playing balls in sand traps and in the rough are two other strong factors involved in measuring a golfer's skill level, NO?

So, are there methods on the course for making these factors more difficult to achieve a low score and to require a greater skill level?

Regarding putting, I have no idea if they do anything like this, (the equivalent of a bowling sports pattern), but I'd think that on a putting green, they mow in one direction all the time. Would it make putting more difficult to mow in squares or at 90 & 180 degree (perpendicular) patterns? (kind of like sanding a ball in bands at 90 degrees angles). So a ball would run for part of the putt and hit more friction where it reaches a part of the green where it was mowed in another direction.

If they don't do any of these things (besides moving the tees, which I know they do), what do they do to make it hard for golf pros and high skill players to score vs those who are considered "duffers" (is that term still used?) ?
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Re: Newspaper coverage: golf 977 inches, bowling ZERO
« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2013, 11:55:50 AM »
Adding length to a golf course is a two-fold challenge.  If they add length without making the fairways wider, you may hit the ball 300 yards instead of 250 now, but a 250 yard ball in the rough won't be near as far out into the rough as that 300 yard ball will be.  So while the clubs increase length, it almost requires you to be more accurate to control.  Putting is difficult to begin with, and because it's not a strength or distance deal, and because improvements to putters don't aid you near as much as an extra 50 yards does, the way that golf is set up makes it much easier to maintain the difficulty.  However, you would think with bowling that simply punching some different numbers into a lane machine would be much easier than changing a layout on a golf course.  Golfers embrace the challenge, while bowlers shy away.  I had a buddy that recently played Pebble Beach for his birthday.  He knew it was going to eat his lunch, he knew it was going to be theoretically depressing, but he had fun because he enjoyed the challenge.  Golf is by nature a better built game than bowling is. 
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Re: Newspaper coverage: golf 977 inches, bowling ZERO
« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2013, 12:50:16 PM »
Gizmo823,

Good point about the width of the fairways. That's another point I didn't think of, but
then I'm not a golfer.

I like your closing statement. It doesn't seem easier to change factors about the course that make it harder. Some of those factors are not obvious, like the oil in bowling.

I wonder about why golfers accept the hardness of some golf environments while bowlers do not. From what I've heard, their egos are as fragile as that of most bowlers.
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Re: Newspaper coverage: golf 977 inches, bowling ZERO
« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2013, 01:14:17 PM »
I think it has to do with what people's idea of success is.  It takes a lot more practice and skill to shoot low rounds in golf than it does in bowling, you can have a lot more "success" in bowling with a much lower knowledge and skill base.  In effect, I think that golfer's egos are a little more tempered than bowler's egos.  I think golfers accept challenge more because it's an already challenging game, and because they know what they're getting themselves into, it's not such a brutal swing.  Bowlers going from 230-170 would be like a golfer going from 65-95, and because bowlers don't develop even some basic skills, they don't know how to fix it, they don't know how to approach the pattern, they are completely lost.  You can see what you need to do in golf, it becomes purely execution.  In bowling, yes there's execution, but when an inexperienced bowler tackles something tough, lines up where they think they should be, and executes a shot to their satisfaction, yet misses by a country mile, it makes them feel stupid.  I think it's the confusion that is the key.  My golf scores are usually between 85-90 depending on where I go, but when I go to an easy course, I only get down to the low 80's, under 80 just once, and when I go to a tough course, it's usually around 95, which in 18 holes only amounts to an extra shot every other hole or so.  An easy shot in bowling is completely opposite a tough shot, a full 180, golf is just a little longer, a little tighter, but it's all visual in golf.  I think if bowlers understood and knew what to do, they would accept the challenge, but since it becomes about both understanding and execution, and requires significantly more work and effort to conquer a tougher shot, especially given how easy the easy shots are, they just see it as overwhelming.  Also, because even easy golf courses still present a fair challenge, and because the governing bodies have maintained strict attention to the integrity of the game, you'll never see 250 yard par 4s, or 50 yard wide fairways.  That also makes what the pros do on tv so much more impressive, because even with a lot of work and practice, even regional pros can't shoot lower.  It's a lot easier to see in golf as well, if you hit 3 of the best shots of your life to eagle a 500 yard par 5 that's straight and wide, you still understand that seeing Mickelson eagle a 550 yard par 5 with a dogleg, and water and sand everywhere is tougher.  Bowling has never educated its bowlers, 95% of bowlers have no clue how to read a lane pattern graph.  Even when they see the picture of where the oil is, nobody has a chance to bowl on that stuff anymore, so they just don't get it.  All they see is that they can shoot just as high of numbers as the pros, and that's boring.  Bowling is the only sport in the world where it's not completely obvious at face value how good the pros are.  I believe that tinted oil may be a way to display the challenges, or to at least be a teaching tool, but I don't think that's remotely possible or practical.  Sorry for the rambling, hopefully I got my point across or at least expressed my concept well . .
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