Rags remember my thread a few weeks ago of off the corner trajectory?  Pointing it up. That's what I'd try here.  Sure couldn't hurt.  Need to practice it though since you are used to going parallel to gutter or away from pocket when inside.  

Scott

Edited on 11/10/2004 10:50 AM

I bowled on a shot like that at a tournament this year. 45 feet of flat oil with stripped backends on pro anvilanes. I shot a beautiful 124 first game (6 splits lol) followed by a 145, then a 203, 213, 205 once the shot opened up a bit, followed by a 180 where i should have gone to a weaker ball.

I have subsequently bowled on a pattern similar to this in another tournament,shot much better, and what i found that worked the best for me was to use a high load particle (phenom) drilled for a little length and controlled hook (pin over ring, mb in track). The pattern was so heavy for the first 3 games both times that i had to point the phenom up the 5 board. I found that the combination here made the ball roll out slightly, but there was enough entrance angle from the line i was playing that it still had plenty of hit left when it actually got to the pocket. not a whole lot of area, but i don't think anybody had any area until about game 3 or 4. I was lucky to be playing outside of most everyone else, as my shot lasted a lot longer as i switched lanes, and i got a little carrydown to help the ball at about game 3.

Nevertheless, it gives you much more respect when you bowl a series like that for the game of bowling.
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sounds like the pattern they use for the pros at the US Open, check out lane conditions on PBA.com,..looks like someone threw a bucket of oil on the lanes from the foul line...
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Lefty, if I tried tight up 15 or so I don't think the ball would have made it to the pins.  I kid you not, when you came out of the oil on this you were in the parking lot - instant hook and lots of it.  I think it's scoreable if I can figure it out - at a tournament in Oregon last weekend they shot on pretty much the same thing and + 130 (5 games) didn't make the cut - it was 40th with one squad to go.  Of course these were mostly PBA regional guys.
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"A little sincerity is a dangerous thing, and a great deal of it is absolutely fatal." Oscar Wilde
Ragnar sure likes to throw his purdy Uranium Buzzsaw.

Lefty, the ball starts it's move at the end of the oil - about 44 feet or so (43 to 45 somewhere).  Yes, I think an earlier roll layout would help, just to tame the back.  I wasn't actually at the tournament - the local pro was, so I'm not sure what they were using.  The LP said he had his best look with, (bingo) a Razor Wire - shot 290 the fourth game to get back to close.  I really wish I had something with a pin axis layout for this shot - I think that would allow me to play a lot straighter (more of my comfort zone).  I guess most of my frustration is coming from the fact that I just don't have anything now set up for real early roll.  I have a Fuel with pin about 1 1/2 inches under the fingers, but I think it would be way too strong for the back ends (way to high diff.), even with an earlier roll.  Something like a Viper would probably be good on this.
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"A little sincerity is a dangerous thing, and a great deal of it is absolutely fatal." Oscar Wilde
Ragnar sure likes to throw his purdy Uranium Buzzsaw.

I was thinking about like Stinger LF / Particle, Storm Razor Wire or Track Magic. I used a V2 all three times I shot on it. It worked better on AMF HPLs than it did on wood but averaged anywhere from 190-208.  If you throw 15lbs let me know i might have a piece to help you at the right price if interested.