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jmattox

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Forward roll ???
« on: April 06, 2010, 05:37:16 AM »
How does one throw a ball with forward roll? I have a lot of side it seems to me but not sure how to do a forward roll.
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Re: Forward roll ???
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2010, 01:48:11 PM »
You have to stay completely behind the ball through your release. If you have side roll, you're coming around the ball at some point. One way I make sure to impart forward roll is to actually try to come inside the ball as I release. If you get a backup motion, just adjust it to a little less inside. Great shot though, especially for tight lines.
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Re: Forward roll ???
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2010, 01:57:48 PM »
What he says.  I will also add that being efficient in both just enhances your game.
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Re: Forward roll ???
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2010, 05:45:12 PM »
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What he says. I will also add that being efficient in both just enhances your game.


Very true and will keep your arsenal size down.
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Re: Forward roll ???
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2010, 06:19:43 PM »
The posters above are correct. FYI, my experience: More side roll equals skid further down the lane and generally a more violent or angular move off the dry. More forward roll generally leads to the ball reading the lane earlier, may cover more boards, depending on the cover and core, but more of an arc reaction.

The trick is learning how to do each and when to use each. Easier said then done. Also, must be conscious of ball speed as it affects the way the ball reads and rolls.

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Re: Forward roll ???
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2010, 05:17:38 AM »
Anything before is correct. Another valuable advise is to keep the wrist firm throughout the release - this will lead to a release with the hand behind the ball.
When you break the wrist easily, you tend to come around the ball early, which promotes skid, side rotation and a snappier breakpoint. A firm wrist is important to build different release styles, which allow a gradual adjustment to lanes and changing conditions.
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Re: Forward roll ???
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2010, 08:04:11 AM »
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How does one throw a ball with forward roll? I have a lot of side it seems to me but not sure how to do a forward roll.


In addition to all that's been stated already, remember you don't have to go from 90 degrees rotation to 0 degrees (fingers at 3:00 to fingers at 6:00, for right hander). To get a change in the roll you just have to use less side rotation, significantly less than you're using now. If you have 80-90 degrees now, initially just try to get it down to 40 - 45 degrees (fingers at 4:30 at the release point.

Small steps are easier to make adjustments. Once you get down a little, you can try further decreases a little at a time.

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Re: Forward roll ???
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2010, 11:54:25 AM »
There was an article that I read years ago and it dealt with what was called the "quick inside release".

With this release, you place the ball so that it is resting on the pad of the index finger. This woud be at the base of the index finger.  This would put the thumb at about 3 o'clock.  The index finger would be parallel to the lane bed. (it will feel like your wrist is turned slightly outward at first).  Keep this position throughout the swing.  Upon release, you don't need to turn the wrist. As the ball rolls off your hand the thumb comes out first and will naturally turn to about the 12 o'clock position.  This will give the ball a natural forward roll and slight hook.  The more you hit up on the ball at release, the more hook you will impart.

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Re: Forward roll ???
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2010, 02:22:09 PM »
My problem is almost exactly the opposite!!!  If forward roll
was the key to success, I'd be a pretty solid bowler.

I struggle when I need to get more "tilt", or side roll on the ball.

Tips to get more tilt?????
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Re: Forward roll ???
« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2010, 11:33:05 AM »
Hopefully, this isn't hijacking the topic but it is on the subject of forward roll.  

When the pattern is long and somewhat flat and the heads becoming drier but the mids stay oily is going to a forward roll or a ball with less tilt a good idea?  Specifically, I was bowling a double oil national pattern and after three games the ball stopped reacting on the back end.  I went to an end over end release and the ball was getting to the pocket again.  The lane man ran the house pattern around my sixth game and my inside out release began working again.  The ball saved the energy it was expending earlier on.  I used a variety of balls that were pin up and down with surface.  

FYI, I didn't mind the transition.  It was tough and a good learning experience.
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