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Title: NO BOWLING SHOT
Post by: Zanatos1914 on August 05, 2008, 07:48:53 AM: Okay maybe everbody on this form is better than me and I am cool with that but currently my house has a jacked up shot.. Its over and under type shot. You have no side boards to bounce your ball and the backend is suppect...

Its a long shot be the oil pattern if any is crazy...

You put the ball out wide and it might not come back and if you dont put it out enough you might hit the 7 pin.. You can strike but it want be a clean strike. Normally you can read you breaking point but its not consistant...

You can never get the same response..

Tried down and in and swing - No luck

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Title: Re: NO BOWLING SHOT
Post by: 9andaWiggle on August 05, 2008, 03:54:05 PM: Did you try pearlized urethane w/puck core, or plastic?

I think I'd be using the XXXL on what you describe (although I wouldn't rule out my pearl urethane Scout either) with less "spin" and more forward roll from my release. Should 1) cut down on over/under, gaining some control and 2) get a decent roll into the pocket to carry some X's. You'll have to be flush to carry, but at least your misses should result in single pin spares and not ugly messes.

GOod luck!

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Title: Re: NO BOWLING SHOT
Post by: dechrist on August 05, 2008, 03:55:33 PM: It sounds like there is oil on the outside, and dry in the middle - I'd certainly ask the house about it - is everyone you're bowling with seeing the same thing?
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Title: Re: NO BOWLING SHOT
Post by: spmcgivern on August 05, 2008, 04:05:15 PM: It does sound like a reverse block. You may need to move even further inside than what is typical. Without knowing your style and such, I can only tell you what I do. Whenever I encounter a reverse block, I will move all they way inside and just not allow the ball to get outside. If you know that inside "X" board is dry and will turn immediately, then use it. Play left of center at the arrows and allow the ball to stay inside of this "X" board and locate the pocket that way. You may lose some carry depending on rotation, but you may be able to hit the pocket more consistently.
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Title: Re: NO BOWLING SHOT
Post by: DON DRAPER on August 05, 2008, 04:09:33 PM: try your plastic ball hard and straight down the 2nd arrow. pound the pocket and make your spares.
Title: Re: NO BOWLING SHOT
Post by: OddBalls on August 05, 2008, 04:27:10 PM: I agree with the Ewe lover..

Urethane seems to work wonders for a spotty shot.

I have a polished purple hammer that really works well under these conditions..
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Title: Re: NO BOWLING SHOT
Post by: Grayson on August 05, 2008, 04:44:18 PM: could also bee a broad short pattern... I have seen those already and it is really a pein to play there.

Scoring is hard and converting spares is the main work then.

Well... I don't know if I could but maybe do as the British suggest... take it sportsmanlike and face the dreaded oil ... get your strikes when you get em and spare the rest away!

Imagine a house oiling only wednesday and you get the lane on Saturday
"Oil? We oil twice a week! That has to be enough!"
Or imagine a house that stripped the lanes after lunchbreak in league. no reoil! just cleaning
Ever seen a ball hit the gutter after half the lane.... and I speak about the LEFT gutter playung a normal line...

Hard work! But "you gotta do the job that's in front of you" ...

Best of all you need... including luck!
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Title: Re: NO BOWLING SHOT
Post by: Zanatos1914 on August 05, 2008, 04:45:26 PM: Thanks for the feed back really..

Allot of the things i didnt think about trying...

Any ball I touch will move because of the revs I place on the ball and I can throw a hard plastic ball but throw hard and praying isn't a real shot...

Some of you mention reverse block but the middle does have oil to a certain point.. Everybody is having the same problem and Full rollers are the only people that are doing okay...
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Title: Re: NO BOWLING SHOT
Post by: dechrist on August 05, 2008, 05:00:26 PM: Just because it doesn't have a lot of East-West movement doesn't mean that it isn't a shot. I learned that the hard way in out PBAx league.

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Title: Re: NO BOWLING SHOT
Post by: six pack on August 05, 2008, 05:32:17 PM: I've bowled in this one house for 6 years with this very same shot.the best luck I had was early rolling mid lane hooking stuff and adjust the cover to get them past the heads.move in deep and play the belly shot with alot of axis/rotation.the other option is to use something that dose'nt hook much and point it off the corner but I would see alot of ringing 10 pins that way some times.hook/stop layouts work well in that manner to,something that would bring the break point earlier and still hold pocket.it's a challenging shot as the middle had light,short oil so you could'nt play that much in the mids and from 10 out was a flood all the way to the deck.
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Title: Re: NO BOWLING SHOT
Post by: AngloBowler on August 06, 2008, 03:53:21 AM: Completely flat patterns can look a little like a reverse block. If you are bowling on a flat pattern, then all you can do is realise that, knuckle down and work hard.
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Title: Re: NO BOWLING SHOT
Post by: APheLion on August 06, 2008, 06:37:32 AM: sounds like the house i bowl on, little bit outside and it wont come back, no much back end and very but very little hold in the middle

that is actually a short flat pattern

couple of hints, on this pattern, speed is the key, keep it up. when moving, the tipical 2-1 parallel move isnt the right way, if ur shot starts early, move about 5 or 6 boards left. if u preffer ball change, start with something strong, firm speed and go straight
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When a house bowler misses the mark, misses the break point and strike, for many ppl its called a wallshot. When a pro does that its call adjustment

When a house bowler gets his finger stuck in the ball and fall on the lanes, for many ppl its called lame bowler. When a pro does that its called the Machuga flop! ha i like this one.
Title: Re: NO BOWLING SHOT
Post by: Dan Belcher on August 06, 2008, 07:03:20 AM: Spend some time in practice bowling with your spare ball, staying behind the ball more and not revving it up as hard as you normally do. Work on accuracy, accuracy, accuracy. Repeating shots is the only way to get better on tough oil patterns. And when you do get on tough oil patterns, you need to be able to control the breakpoint to keep the ball in play when you do miss your target, so lowering your rev rate and tumbling the ball more end over end will help with this.
Title: Re: NO BOWLING SHOT
Post by: LuckyLefty on August 06, 2008, 07:44:37 AM: Many people today use pin up stuff and stick it in friction.

If there is a lot of length lane with no friction spot....often pin down and particles work nice.

If the particle provides too much midlane then sometimes one has to switch off of it to pure reactive which goes staighter in the early oil.

I remember once seeing one of Randy Pederson's setups where he had his pin in a flare position and barely above his grip center and an inch or so to the side. This is a varient on revs leverage and we use it a lot on the left!

REgards,

Luckylefty
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Title: Re: NO BOWLING SHOT
Post by: janderson on August 06, 2008, 08:36:57 AM: What break points have you tried to play? To borrow some terminology from Ron Clifton, have you tried using a break point in all three zones? 1-5, 6-10, 11-15? Have you tried getting to each of those break point zones from three different laydown points, outside (5 board) middle (20 board) and inside (35 board)? Have you tried playing the twig (can you play the twig?)? deep inside angles? When you say "I've tried it" do you mean a couple of shots with one ball, one speed, and one release? Or do you mean several games switching out balls, speed, release one at a time in a controlled experiment approach?

Conquering a challenging shot should be a challenge to a competitive bowler. Non-competitive bowlers really won't care. Bowlers that do care and want to conquer will keep searching until they find something that works.

Sure, posting here might gain you some opinions on different things to try, but it is impossible for anyone to render any real help not knowing how you throw the ball, your true accuracy level, the surface, conditioner, consistency of the lane machine, etc.

In other words, first-hand experience is going to be your best bet.

When you get the feeling of "it's not working", which you describe, it is time to try something else.

If you're not willing to change, you're not willing to improve.

Good luck - I look forward to hearing that you succeeded and what it took to get you there.

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Edited on 8/6/2008 8:38 AM
Title: Re: NO BOWLING SHOT
Post by: Zanatos1914 on August 06, 2008, 09:07:07 AM: thanks for the feed back...

Will give some of these things a try...

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Title: Re: NO BOWLING SHOT
Post by: huskerfan711 on August 06, 2008, 11:48:11 AM: Sounds like fun!!

Where do you bowl?
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Title: Re: NO BOWLING SHOT
Post by: dpunky on August 06, 2008, 12:02:39 PM: This sounds like a reverse block. To attack these, I used a pearl reactive ball with the pin below my ring finger . I used a more forward roll and played up the 12 board.
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Title: Re: NO BOWLING SHOT
Post by: Moose Nugget on August 06, 2008, 12:27:07 PM: Zan,

If I read your post correctly you have out-of-bounds out with no/little hold in. If that is the case you need to play the hold area not relying on built in friction like a THS. Think more along the lines of Nationals.

I would look at a solid cover with Low-Med RG. Examples would be Cell, BW Bite, Gamebreaker, Raw Hammer Anger (Particle), Copperhead, Gladiator, T-Road Solid, etc. I would also have a fair amount of surface (1000-2000 abralon) with little or no oil shine. This will provide the traction needed at the break point and an earlier arcing reaction which will help provide some area downlane eliminating the over/under reactions you are seeing.

You stated you can turn the ball so you may want to back off on the rev rate to help control the turn as well. Once the shot begins to break down, use parallel moves (1 & 1, 2 & 2 etc). Don't be afraid to shell down and make a big move right once you create area downlane. Another option is to chase oil to the outside of the lane if everyone else is moving in using up the head oil.

Good Luck,

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Title: Re: NO BOWLING SHOT
Post by: JoeBowler on August 06, 2008, 12:39:51 PM: Their is always a shot. Just how good it is for you is another question.

If full rollers can hit it then one exists.
Title: Re: NO BOWLING SHOT
Post by: Jorge300 on August 06, 2008, 12:41:02 PM: I think everyone gave good advice.....

But my problem is that the original post makes it sound like you are really whining about this. So you have a tough shot, you don't have swing to the right like a typical THS. I think Anglobowler said it best, man up and realize you have to be precise. Sorry if I am reading something into your post that isn't there, but I get tired of hearing the people complain when our house puts out a tougher shot. I think it is smart to ask advice of others if what you have tried hasn't worked, but the tone and the words in the OP makes it seem like you are PO'd at the house for the fact that the shot is tough. JMHO.
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