Author Topic: No oil on the first 9 inches of the lane (Read 7315 times)

rcorbitt · « **on:** November 21, 2011, 10:31:16 PM »

I bowl at an AMF house who has stopped oiling and cleaning the first nine or so inches of the lane. I'm told the reason is comply with a recent OSHA directive about having oil too close to the foul line, preventing falls. (Yeah, they're not very creative ...)

Any other centers doing the same thing? Since they don't ever clean that area, it's full of (grease?) black marks where the ball initially contacts the lane. Regardless, it looks horrendous!

TWOHAND834 · « **Reply #1 on:** November 22, 2011, 08:16:19 AM »

I helped manage at a Brunswick Center around 10 years ago and they did the same thing; just not that far. I believe we went around 6 inches past the foul line. It is there more for safety precaution so if you slip too much or stick too much that prevents you from staying behind the foul line, it gives the bowler a chance to still keep their footing instead of taking one step past and falling backwards and slamming their head on the lane surface. Seen a couple times where someone did that and it knocked them out. They had to be taken to a hospital more for evaluation. Lane surfaces are not soft. One good smack on the back of the head could lead to a concussion.

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StickZ · « **Reply #2 on:** November 22, 2011, 08:51:02 AM »

my center does it, it prevents lawsuits....granted there are signs that say "DONT CROSS FOUL LINE" it seems alot of people do, and if they oiled up to the line people would fall. they oil it then they wipe it off...doesnt hurt anything..but its maintained...no black marks or anything.

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T_Bone · « **Reply #3 on:** November 22, 2011, 09:02:31 AM »

I saw a little girl about 5 or 6 take a step over the foul line and her feet went straight out from underneath her. She landed on her back holding on to her ball. The ball came down right on her chest just under her face. I was very concerned that she was going to be badly hurt. She cried for a little but seemed to be ok. I know that it freaked me out. Crossing that foul line is dangerous.

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batbowler · « **Reply #4 on:** November 22, 2011, 09:31:08 AM »

We do the 6" past the foul line and we can set the amount on our Kegel machine! It also helps when they clean the approach so they don't drag lane oil back onto the approach, plus for the safety factor!!!

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Curly · « **Reply #5 on:** November 22, 2011, 09:43:47 AM »

We have a 6-7 inch gap between the foul line and the start of the oil pattern because it is physically impossible to start the oil AT the foil line. The brush is located maybe 4" from the back edge of the machine and the machine must be completely ON THE LANE when it starts it's oiling sequence. In order for the oil to start at the foil line, our gutters would have to extend 4-6" back onto the approach, beyond the foul line. Draw this whole thing out on a piece of paper to grasp the concept.

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mdevore19 · « **Reply #6 on:** November 22, 2011, 09:57:15 AM »

My AMF house is doing it 1 foot, because its supposed to comply with OSHA.

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Zanatos1914 · « **Reply #7 on:** November 22, 2011, 04:59:19 PM »

Thanks for starting this thread...

I thought I was crazy because I remember the oil coming to the foul lane as welll...

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xrayjay · « **Reply #8 on:** November 22, 2011, 05:47:38 PM »

come to the house I bowl at...

left side is about a foot and some from the foul line, while the right side is almost two feet away! OSHA? maybe?...or the sumit machine sucks ...

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Walking E · « **Reply #9 on:** November 22, 2011, 07:40:13 PM »

Well, then I guess it's a good thing that I loft the ball.

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scotts33 · « **Reply #10 on:** November 22, 2011, 09:41:55 PM »

6" or 1 foot pretty soon there won't be any oil nor skid, hook roll. Bowling is screwed. We cow tow to the recreational bowler that might hurt themselves. Another sign of the times.

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charlest · « **Reply #11 on:** November 22, 2011, 09:58:28 PM »

One of my houses, an AMF one, started this past week, putting up signs in the monitors on lanes that aren't being use to the effect:

1. like any other sport you can get injured bowling, be careful (my paraphrase)

2.Do not step over the foul line. It is dangerous.

They never did this before, either sign. I figure it's a direction from the AMFmanagement.

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scotts33 · « **Reply #12 on:** November 22, 2011, 10:03:32 PM »

I believe there is caveat in all major league baseball on the back of the ticket. A basic hold harmless clause......you sit here you sit and watch at your own peril.....foul balls and all.

charlest wrote on 11/22/2011 10:58 PM: One of my houses, an AMF one, started this past week, putting up signs in the monitors on lanes that aren't being use to the effect:
1. like any other sport you can get injured bowling, be careful (my paraphrase)
2.Do not step over the foul line. It is dangerous.

They never did this before, either sign. I figure it's a direction from the AMFmanagement.

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Tex · « **Reply #13 on:** November 24, 2011, 11:39:22 AM »

At a recent regional the AMF house we bowled had started sticking labels on the lanes just over the foul line stating not to cross the line. I happened to be crossing with a USBC employee. He said that AMF was in the process of putting these stickers on every lane in all their centers and USBC stopped them. I felt it could not be legal and was very distracting. He said that it was being reviewed, but it was his understanding AMF had recently lost a huge lawsuit over someone falling after stepping over the line. On tight conditions I will use the short dots to shoot left side spares and also on wetter conditions where I need the ball to pick up a roll earlier, these big labels were right in my vision and not being used to seeing them I missed spares due to looking down at them on release. It was weird and one of those things, but not sure how you can apply something to the lane. What you are describing leads me to believe USBC so no go on the label, so this is AMF's solution. Can't see this affecting ball reaction as long as a bowler gets the ball out past the line, which you really should be out a foot or so anyway.

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rcorbitt · « **Reply #14 on:** December 08, 2011, 11:12:27 AM »

So here's an update:

Yesterday, the AMF began applying a clear label just over the foul line to all the lanes. I called USBC and spoke to Steve. He told me the USBC has issued a "permit" to allow ANY center to place this sticker on the lane surface. I began to inquire why USBC has not told us about this new "permitting" process. After a long discussion about defacing lanes and approaches, Steve understood my concern, but assured me USBC had approved the label.

I suggested USBC issue a statement guaranteeing all scores rolled on lanes with these labels would be honored. I also asked that USBC place an article in the monthly e-newsletter how the permitting process works, who voted to approve the label, and how the new "permit" will be changing the rules.

According to Steve, this is the ONLY permit USBC has ever issued, and it is only for "safety." Ironically these labels are only in English, I guess other language speakers are smart enough to know there is oil on the lanes ...

First, USBC acquiesced to the BPAA regarding oil patterns and volume. Now it seems they are bowing to pressure to alter the lane surface with a quick, cheap fix, that directly contradicts the rules we've abided by for years.

If the warning is so important, it only makes sense the text is permanently added to the lane surface in the same manner as the spots, arrow, or range finders.

We're gaining speed down that slippery slope!

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