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LyalC52

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Attacking a "reverse block"
« on: September 10, 2015, 08:58:15 AM »
Our scratch league is playing on a 42' flat heavy volume pattern.
All 8 of us started playing between 2nd and 3rd arrow out to the ten
Everyone shot decent scores for the first game as the lanes were opening up.

Early in the second game, half of us moved left the other half right.
My teammate called what we did to the lanes a "reverse block"
The inside became very snappy and unpredictable and the outside became very slick.

Basically, took a tough pattern and made it worse.

By the end of the second game, no one was getting solid pocket hits.
Lots of splits and corners were left in the third game.

For me, I went the grind it out route, and played straight and tried to just stay clean.

Curious as to how others attack this kind of situation. Please don't take this as a "ohhh boo hoo I didn't shoot 250, so the lanes suck" post. I'm honestly trying to build my lane knowledge.

We will be bowling on this same pattern for 11 weeks.
Last week (first week) we opened the shot and as long as you kept the break point inside the far tracer, there was a good bite and predictable path for a solid hit.



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Re: Attacking a "reverse block"
« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2015, 03:46:32 PM »
Mine was a reference point not gospel meaning if you find a spot playing out - CUDOS - you played your ball reaction
Now some may think more surface is ruining the 'pattern' but you have to play what you can to strike not what someone else tells you to....
We played on strips in the 90's on tour...this you played the lane however you could to strike

Rico, thanks. Understood. I just wanted to flesh out your post. I tend to agree that you have to do what works best for you. My goal is to find a spot where I can hit the pocket if I miss a board or two right and a board or two left. Depending on the pattern, sometimes that isn't always possible, but it is what I look for during practice. I use the pattern graphs to help with starting surfaces and a starting point to begin practice, then allow the ball reaction to dictate where I move from there.
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Re: Attacking a "reverse block"
« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2015, 05:34:29 PM »
This topic from 2013 when I had the same question about a reverse block could help:
http://www.ballreviews.com/miscellaneous/playing-a-true-reverse-block-t293163.0.html;msg2383391#msg2383391

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Re: Attacking a "reverse block"
« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2015, 06:30:09 PM »
Jorge, you have it exactly right.  You try to find the place that will give you a board or two.  The only reason I preach straighter is greater is that the straighter you can play the easier it will be to find a little hold to go with a bit of swing that you are looking for.  Also straight is a relative term.  I am a low rev medium to slow speed stroker, and I have no trouble getting to 4th arrow and getting hit playing a tight break point.  In fact I carry much better from inside on a long flat pattern than on a house shot where I have to totally go out and back around the mid lane puddle. 

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Re: Attacking a "reverse block"
« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2015, 06:33:28 PM »
On a true reverse block, depending on the length, either play a board or 2 right of the friction (don't pull it!) Or get waaaaay left and play fall back. I just bowled a 5 game sweeper on Route 66, which is 45 feet, and I started out with my Dream On, balled down to a Night Hawk, and honestly should have balled down to a Boost, if I had thought to bring it. Keep the hook to the right of you, however you have to.

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Re: Attacking a "reverse block"
« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2015, 06:52:12 PM »
It really does depend a lot on how every one else is playing them.  Worst case is where you have guys playing them everywhere with dull stuff.  Having a few guys get super deep right away isn't good, but sometimes I can move in a little and still stay right of where they are blowing up the heads. Sometimes you can play outside 10 on a longer pattern ( less than 44 ft ).  Big issue there is that you are going to have to make a big jump at some point.  I played the 43 foot nationals team pattern at Reno right up 8-10 board with a rolly but tame pearl and had a great look.  Pete Thomas is a master at playing this area on anything, and you can look up what his team did. 

Another thing, a lot depends on how much reverse oil is being used.  Even high volume, long without much reverse will open up more quickly inside 10 if you don't get too greedy.  The more reverse oil, the more likely I am to find something outside 10 for at least a couple of games.

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Re: Attacking a "reverse block"
« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2015, 08:41:32 PM »
wow. no one realizes this topic comes up right when storm re-releases a video of the big bad cry baby "HOF" randy discussing the same topic on facebook?

if you bowl a league, a regular league, you will never be subjected to a "hard shot", centers have to keep scores up and alive.

even the "sport shot" leagues in my area, they play nothing like real world. patterns can and will be manipulated to preserve the almighty high scores justifying the ball companies putting out stronger equipment. c300 ---- the new swerve, the core is BS, learn physics and COE.... does not add up, no offense to league bowlers who know next to nothing who will buy this crap.

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Re: Attacking a "reverse block"
« Reply #22 on: September 10, 2015, 08:57:49 PM »
if you bowl a league, a regular league, you will never be subjected to a "hard shot", centers have to keep scores up and alive.

Uh, I don't think anyone is arguing that flat patterns will be seen in standard league.  Speaking only from my experience, we do get some really really brutal patterns in our summer sport league.  If you don't see that where you are locally and do not get the opportunity to see them.......I don't know what to say other than that is unfortunate.  :-\
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Re: Attacking a "reverse block"
« Reply #23 on: September 11, 2015, 08:50:41 AM »
I would rather bowl on a sport shot with decent  volume, some head oil and clean backends than a blown up house shot. Ten league bowlers throwing oil soaking high performance balls all over the lane can make a house shot  pretty difficult fast.

OP, you really have to adjust based on where others are playing the lanes. If bowlers throwing sandpaper start inside of you, if you move right into the area that they have burned, you will not get much difference in your ball reaction. You have to make bigger moves, trying to stay on the remaining oil up front. This is hard to do until you get used to it, but it works.


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Re: Attacking a "reverse block"
« Reply #24 on: September 11, 2015, 10:40:28 AM »
I can score as high on some sport patterns, especially the long ones as I can on a house shot.  The problem with house shots is that when the heads go you still have a 10 to 10 puddle in the midlane area.  This forces us to move in and play a lot of out angle to find the friction.  Not a big problem for high rev guys, but us tweeners really lose carry.  The flat patterns can causes the same problem if guys move in with dull stuff right away, but more and more even the local scratch bowlers are learning better ways to attack long flat patterns.  You can really develop a nice track on long patterns if everyone attacks it the right way. 

One thing that has always been true no matter what the pattern, is that I don't want to be 4 or 5 boards right of very many guys.  Transition is always going to be in except on real short patterns, and that is always tough moving into the burned out heads of other guys.     

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Re: Attacking a "reverse block"
« Reply #25 on: September 14, 2015, 12:56:04 PM »
I can score as high on some sport patterns, especially the long ones as I can on a house shot.  The problem with house shots is that when the heads go you still have a 10 to 10 puddle in the midlane area.  This forces us to move in and play a lot of out angle to find the friction.  Not a big problem for high rev guys, but us tweeners really lose carry.  The flat patterns can causes the same problem if guys move in with dull stuff right away, but more and more even the local scratch bowlers are learning better ways to attack long flat patterns.  You can really develop a nice track on long patterns if everyone attacks it the right way. 

One thing that has always been true no matter what the pattern, is that I don't want to be 4 or 5 boards right of very many guys.  Transition is always going to be in except on real short patterns, and that is always tough moving into the burned out heads of other guys.     

Bob,
   I think that advice depends on the format. If you are in a tournament format, or even a league format where you move lanes after every game, playing right of 4-5 people may be no issue at all. The movement of pairs will keep your shot fresher. It also depends, I think, on the type of equipment you need to throw to be right of those players. If you can do it throwing a lower end ball, or a ball with very little surface, you may not have to move much and the burn the others are creating won't come into play. If you have to throw a higher end ball, or one with a lot of surface, then you scenario comes into play. It's all relative and there are lots of factors that play into finding a good shot. As a more speed dominant bowler, you learn to adjust to playing right of everyone and understand your moves are either ball down quickly and stay where you are or make large moves left when the time comes.
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Re: Attacking a "reverse block"
« Reply #26 on: September 15, 2015, 11:29:38 AM »
I was thinking in terms of tournament formats when I posted.  Also I think you bring up situations that point to how much trial and error is involved.  Sure glad experience is worth a lot in this game, because my physical game is deteriorating as fast as my experience is increasing at this point.