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anorexicwonder

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Not allowed to use OLD bowling balls
« on: April 06, 2012, 02:38:38 PM »
Ok, this thread is a continuation of one I started on the forums at the PBA's website.   The problem is, I was recently informed that I will not be allowed to use my AMF Angles in an upcoming summer league.  

 

The Angles were made in the mid-late 80's, and therefore pre-dates the approved ball list.   Now, the USBC grandfathers in all balls that were approved before 1991, BUT gives the league & tournament officials the right to dis-allow such a ball from being used for no particular reason.

 

I do not understand this at all.   In other leagues I see many old but popular balls being used and no one seems to care.  But for some reason, I've been harrassed twice within the past year about it.   I'm at the point where I don't even want to bowl a sanctioned league anymore.

 

OLD BALLS NOT ON THE APPROVED LIST BUT ARE STILL BEING USED QUITE OFTEN:

 

AMF - Gold Angle, Blue Angle, Angle LD, Ultra Angle, Grey Angle

Brunswick - Crown Jewel, LT 48 (original)

Faball - Blue Pearl Hammer, Red Pearl Hammer, Blue Urethane Nail

 

Will someone please tell me why the USBC has basically given dipsmack officials the right to play "God" when old equipment is concerned?   As it stands, they have given the officials the right to allow my opponent to use a Crown Jewel as a spare ball, but NOT allow me to use my Angle!?!  

 

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Re: Not allowed to use OLD bowling balls
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2012, 02:48:25 PM »
Well we all know that the LT-48 is the reason that scoring is out of control right now.  Pretty sure most of the 900 series were shot with one of those balls.  Kudos to USBC for really taking a stand against the onslaught of technology and stopping some of these cheater balls from being allowed.  I mean I just wish they would make everyone just stick to a 12 ball arsenal of all asymmetrical cores with high RA value covers....the game could get some integrity back.
 
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Re: Not allowed to use OLD bowling balls
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2012, 03:08:33 PM »

First I've heard of anything like this. To me it sounds quite unusual. The poster says this is happening in LEAGUES .. I have never seen a ball questioned in league! Can you describe a little bit on how the ball is discovered? Is there a USBC rep reviewing balls before the league starts? Perhaps there is concern that a high score will not be recognized if the ball is used? The league will not allow the ball or the USBC will not recognized scores/games made with the ball?

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Re: Not allowed to use OLD bowling balls
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2012, 03:09:41 PM »
Wow! They are only about 30 years late with this banning. Maybe they are too embarrassed to lose by someone throwing an old ball.
 
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Re: Not allowed to use OLD bowling balls
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2012, 03:26:22 PM »
 Just bowl jn pba tournaments.  You wouldn't have this issue.  Lol. Any league or tournament has the right to have their own rules.  If you don't like them it's your choice to bowl or not.

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Re: Not allowed to use OLD bowling balls
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2012, 04:39:19 PM »
I would send the USBC an e-mail, explaining very clearly that the balls are being denied simply for their age, and NOT for the condition they are in, and ask for a clarification of the rule about which balls will and will not be allowed in USBC SANCTIONED COMPETITION.

 

 Leaving things like this up to individuals is not acceptable. Individuals can have agendas and be self serving, and as thus, should NOT be given arbitrary powers about what equipment you will be allowed to use.

 

 ALL the Angles were ABC/USBC approved, and as such, should be available for use in ANY USBC sanctioned competition.
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Re: Not allowed to use OLD bowling balls
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2012, 09:35:53 PM »
Let me know what other balls we cant use...

 

I love my Cuda C and it checks up just like all other balls..


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Re: Not allowed to use OLD bowling balls
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2012, 09:39:13 PM »
ABSOLUTELY   POSITIVELY   ABSURD!!!
 
How can using any one of these be an unfair advantage?
 

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Re: Not allowed to use OLD bowling balls
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2012, 10:13:42 PM »
The USBC is saying they ARE legal for sanctioned competition.

 

But they allow LEAGUE and TOURNAMENT officals the right to ban the balls.

 

I can't fathom why they would ban them and I have never seen a case where they were.

 

And agree that I don't understand why the USBC allows approved balls to be banned.


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Re: Not allowed to use OLD bowling balls
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2012, 11:31:16 PM »
You don't have a profile.....but you just must be too good!  Or nobody would care!

 

2nd of all just like cars, that thing is so old it might be spewing fumes!  Over the pollution standards in your state!

 

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Re: Not allowed to use OLD bowling balls
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2012, 02:21:41 PM »
We can't establish mandatory sanctioned lane conditions but we can ban an outdated, nearly unusable in newer Brunswick lesser friction synthetic lanes 1980's balls. Hilarious. I feel so proud to be sanctioned by USBC now.

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anorexicwonder

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Re: Not allowed to use OLD bowling balls
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2012, 02:35:02 PM »
Interesting... very interesting.   After discussing the matter with other local bowlers, it would seem the guy who is giving me all the trouble HATES lefties - and would do anything to try to stop one from doing well.  

 

 

 

 
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Re: Not allowed to use OLD bowling balls
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2012, 02:59:01 PM »
HONESTLY,

 

 I would use them anyway, and let the league "official" do his worst. Let it escalate to the point where it HAS to become a USBC issue, and let THEM (USBC) sort it all out.

 

 Let THEM (USBC) either rule in your favor, or give a reason why NOBODY should be allowed to use a ball that THEY (USBC) have/has approved for use.

 

 USBC is a self serving organization, and will not allow itself to look like fools, and SHOULD rule in your favor.

 

 AND, I would let the league "official" know that ANY AND ALL games I was forced to bowl without my APPROVED EQUIPMENT would be subject to official protest on my part.

 

 Force the league "official" to give you an adequate reason as to why your equipment is being "banned", and get it in writing, so you can include a copy of the reason when you send the protest in to the USBC for a ruling.

 

 AND, tell the league official that ANY AND ALL games you are forced to bowl without your APPROVED EQUIPMENT will be subject to protest and you asking for them to ALL be RE-BOWLED AT HIS EXPENSE if the USBC rules in your favor after the fact.

 

 BUT, before I did these things, I would take him aside, explain to him what was going to happen, and tell him this can all be avoided if he simply lets you use your APRROVED EQUIPMENT to begin with.

 

 HE is the one causing the problem, so I would put the problem in HIS lap.
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Re: Not allowed to use OLD bowling balls
« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2012, 09:43:01 PM »
I wonder if the USBC rule allowing leagues to "ban" certain bowling balls was intended to allow for leagues to actually specify what specific balls can be used.  I've heard of leagues that only allow a few balls (example:  bowlers can only use Slingshot, Cyclone, and plastic balls).  --  JohnP 


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Re: Not allowed to use OLD bowling balls
« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2012, 10:04:29 PM »
The usbc will side with the league officials 100%. The rules clearly state any tournament director or league board can ban any balls they chose for no reason what so ever. Just another way the usbc is helping our sport grow and looking out for their members ;-)



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