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mumzie

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Center remodels - what's your experience?
« on: June 17, 2008, 10:20:30 AM »
We just got back from checking out a local center remodel. This was already the nicest center on the west side of the Portland metro area - and they just sunk a whole bunch more money into it.

They've taken out the older Brunswick swing seat style seating, and replaced it with couches and coffee tables. Funny how they used to have plenty of room for equipment, now there's none.

The couches are pretty, and will be fun for the party crowd, but we're seriously thinking of moving centers for the fall season, because the seating is too hard to get out of for us old folks.

Also - they took out the 4-5 year old linoleum that was still in good shape, and replaced it with a textured laminate that looks like rough wood. It's got a lot of texture to it - I wonder how they're going to get the pop and pizza out of the cracks before league???

Anyone else have the same thing happen?
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Re: Center remodels - what's your experience?
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2008, 06:33:09 PM »
A lot of centers are going to the whole luxury retro theme, I too mumzie am not a huge fan of these.

The new AMF300's are in my opinion are the worst centers.
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Re: Center remodels - what's your experience?
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2008, 06:50:03 PM »
The dreaded couches. The center I bowl at did that a couple of years ago, and it was very bad. There is nowhere near enough room for a men's league, so we ended up moving the stupid coffee table back out of the way. Sometimes you have to wonder who thinks up this stupid crap.

Plus I could only imagine what went down on those couches during Rock and Bowl when the lights go down. YEECH!!!!!!
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Re: Center remodels - what's your experience?
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2008, 06:54:16 PM »
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Plus I could only imagine what went down on those couches during Rock and Bowl when the lights go down. YEECH!!!!!!
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But on topic though, I bowled a high school tournament in a center that did the couch thing and it really was bad, there wasn't room up on the lanes but there was a wide walkway behiend that everyone stashed their stuff. I strongly disliked the set up, and I don't like anything about the club 300 AMF centers. But maybe i'm just to hardcore of a bowler.
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Re: Center remodels - what's your experience?
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2008, 07:43:56 PM »
Unfortunately, the center owners continue to cater to the cosmic, open bowling crowd, not the league bowlers. Open bowlers do not arrive with 3 and 4 all rollers plus totes, they usually use house balls, rent shoes etc. etc. The couches appeal to them as they can lounge around and ..........!?!?

Only bowling nuts like us drag a lot of equipment into a center with us and expect there to be room to stash it.

I bowl in one center that is really old but a few years ago they remodeled the seating/coffee tables etc. Whatever they installed is horrible, everything is bolted down and the coffee tables with 4 attached chairs are right in the middle of the walkway to each pair of lanes. Very difficult to even get into the settee area, let alone get past the scoring machine controls to bowl.


Whoever designs these layouts cannot be a bowler!!!
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Re: Center remodels - what's your experience?
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2008, 07:02:33 AM »
If I want a couch and a coffee table, I'll just stay home.  At least I know what's gone down on my couch.

I don't like the coffee club approach these newer centers are going to, they don't leave enough room for serious bowlers to keep their equipment and very often, the flooring is not kept very clean, leading to picking up foreign materials on my shoes that tend to cause problems when trying to slide.
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Re: Center remodels - what's your experience?
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2008, 09:20:23 AM »
This is beginning to happen in a center where I bowl.  It, too, is the nicest center in the area, and the owner never has been reluctant to put more money into it.

In January the center was sold to Brunswick.  Now that league season is over, its transformation into a Brunswick Zone has begun in earnest.

So far, they have been remodeling the cafe and game room.  They are also modifying the end walls.

As far as I know, their future plans include leveling the settee area, so that there are no steps up or down, putting in new scoring units, and installing overlays on the lanes, which are getting fairly beaten up (17 year-old Anvilane).

Beyond that, I don't know what's in the works.

I will be watching the transition with great interest.

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Re: Center remodels - what's your experience?
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2008, 10:10:38 AM »
I bowl at a Brunswick zone in Texas, and well I cant stand it.  Not alot of room for equipment.  The tables are bolted to the floor with 4 swivel chairs attached to each small oval table. (I bowl on a league with 5 man teams, so someone didn't think that one through)  All and all its just gone down hill for the real bowlers.  First there was the bowling ally, then there was the bowling center, now all we have is a recreation center, notice they don't even mention bowling anymore.  Its sad that they make most of the money off the league bowlers coming every week, yet when it comes time to make it better all they care about is the drunk cosmic idiots.

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Re: Center remodels - what's your experience?
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2008, 01:18:14 PM »
It's Sunset Lanes in Beaverton, Oregon.
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Re: Center remodels - what's your experience?
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2008, 09:09:22 PM »
I don't know what center ibowled286 bowls at but I am in full agreement. My local alley at former Brunswick Watauga Lanes in Watauga, TX had the original Brunswick 2000 layout with a real pit area, basic but easy to use and read scoring systems and a seating area that was logical. They attempted to put barstools, wipe out the pit area and put tables in what I call a "bowlers" area and have a horrible Windows based scoring system. The worse part is the tables. On every even number lane, the table is literally 2-3 feet from the back of the approach. In warm ups back in the old days everything was centered with the scoring monitor in the middle so it was no big deal. The tables makes it difficult to form a straight line if you want to take a shot on the right lane. There is "are you over hear or over there" every league night. When league starts, sometimes people sit at the front of these tables and if you want to stand in front of the lane to think about your shot, you really cant unless you use poor lane courtesy because there is no where to stand. The practice in the old days was nice because the front counter was responsible for starting and stopping practice. Most of the time, the time limit would go a little over so you got a good amount of balls in. According to the manager at my house which I tried in a motion in the league meeting to change the time limit of practice from 10 minutes to 15 minutes he said it is against Brunswick policy. Only 5 man league teams can have 15 minutes. Pretty lame considering if you have a double leagues they get 10 minutes but you can't give a 4 man league 15 minutes? The practice is exactly 10 minutes for 4 man leagues. Most of the time, when the scoring system says "stop" people say "screw it" and bowl anyway and then have to fix the score.

The layout of the bowling alley is very "childish". It was tailored made for birthday parties and group gatherings for glow bowl. If Brunswick tells you otherwise, they are liars. They have stooped to the same level as AMF. What kind of moron puts tables in front of the approaches where there is liquids and food allowed? Course no league will say anything against it because that is where the tables are. Hell, we were lucky to get a majority vote to put smoking in the back! In the old days with a pit area it was no problem. Then there is the very annoying house bowlers trying to get a house ball in the bowlers area where the league is. Nice thinking placing the balls there.

They took out the meeting room which used to be a babysitters area (no alleys use those anymore) and put a stupid teenage poolhall there. So now we have to have league meetings in the bar which is noisy. The biggest problem on this whole remodeling is there is not enough space from front to the back for all the things they placed in. On Friday nights, it's like a Greyhound Bus Station. Enough of my rants. I still like Brunswick, I just think they don't care about league bowlers as much as they used to. Perhaps someday these bowling alleys will wake the hell up and realize league bowlers will generate the revenue and cosmic bowling and birthday parties will not last. I think most of the bowlers that are ages 25-35 are in the peak of talent in bowling. Most of the kids growing up will be poor bowlers due what surrounds them thanks to AMF and Brunswick.

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Re: Center remodels - what's your experience?
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2008, 12:05:24 AM »
You are going to get this now that open play/cosmic/parties are where the money is for centers now. I am one that likes defined bowling areas and such but do see why these changes are being made. I saw the development and construction of a new center in Roseburg, Oregon called Ten Down that is set up in the recreation center type of way. I could see the flaws as a straight up bowling center but thats not what they were shooting for. As far as a total entertainment center, they nailed it. And I think they will be successful in a bowling industry that is changing it's identity.