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rico4life

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oil carry down
« on: January 07, 2016, 10:10:29 PM »
Question is about oil carry down, and I mean when people are throwing house balls that are urethane, and the oil moves down the lane and your aggressive ball doesn't finish. What would be a solution, would a more aggressive ball with more surface be the way to go. Sometimes moving right just doesn't work too well.

 

avabob

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Re: oil carry down
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2016, 10:15:43 AM »
Extreme carrydown in the situation you describe turns the pattern into a long oil.  However if you are playing on a house shot you can normally get outside the oil.  The trick is you have to square up and play into the hold area.  Scoring and carry are going to be a little lower, but everyone has the same issue, and it is playable. 

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Re: oil carry down
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2016, 06:11:19 PM »
Extreme carrydown in the situation you describe turns the pattern into a long oil.  However if you are playing on a house shot you can normally get outside the oil.  The trick is you have to square up and play into the hold area.  Scoring and carry are going to be a little lower, but everyone has the same issue, and it is playable. 

Bob, please explain where the hold area is just so I understand correctly...we are having huge carry down issues as our house switched to ICE for the oil since they got a new Kegel Flex.....Stone St is the pattern. Without the ICE, I really never noticed the carry down as much.

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avabob

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Re: oil carry down
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2016, 12:50:09 AM »
Ice is very slick oil.  The key is you simply have to get comfortable playing more direct through the heads.  It is not so much finding hold area as it is not looking for so much swing area.  Carry down really needs to be played like a longer oil pattern.  Keep the break point closer to the middle of the lane like you would on long sport patterns. 

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Re: oil carry down
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2016, 11:11:28 AM »
True. Our house switched to Ice last year. It definitely plays slicker. The big boomers
can still create a lot of area on it but we strokers have to "square up" more.

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Re: oil carry down
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2016, 12:29:00 PM »
Carry down more times than not is a misperception as it has to do with how the bowling ball is expending its energy....a bowling ball with proper force applied, will always try to change direction...if the surface matches up, it will...if it doesn't, it'll flare out which can be miscued as carry down...
'Carry down' is such a miniscule amount of conditioner that gives the misperception that changing lines or surfaces nullify it...ie if you have the right ball (surface) in your hands you never see carry down
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Re: oil carry down
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2016, 12:41:03 PM »
Carry down more times than not is a misperception as it has to do with how the bowling ball is expending its energy....a bowling ball with proper force applied, will always try to change direction...if the surface matches up, it will...if it doesn't, it'll flare out which can be miscued as carry down...
'Carry down' is such a miniscule amount of conditioner that gives the misperception that changing lines or surfaces nullify it...ie if you have the right ball (surface) in your hands you never see carry down

Makes sense....the key is to know what is the right surface and when to use it...something I have very little of a clue about.

So is it possible going to more surface "after" the first game if the ball that you used in the first game is now changing directions just a bit later?

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Re: oil carry down
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2016, 05:04:46 PM »
Yes as well as playing in the conditioner more to smooth out the reaction
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Re: oil carry down
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2016, 09:17:47 PM »
We definitely get carry down in our sport league with the ICE oil.
its really bad at times and this isn't guys using urethane or plastic
you really have to ball up in these instances, kinda the opposite of what you would think, but the reality is such that ICE oil has carry down
we have went down lane after practice sessions and you can see it
Kegel has a new product meant to replace the ICE
http://www.kegel.net/V3/ContentModelC.aspx?ID=199

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Re: oil carry down
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2016, 12:13:29 AM »
i am planning on drilling up a original mastermind to complement my einstein that i use most of the time. I was thinking that more surface and a solid coverstock would help combat the carrydown.

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Re: oil carry down
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2016, 10:03:24 AM »
Going with more surface is more effective if you do it out of the gate before the carrydown sets up.  This can blow a hole in the pattern while creating less carrydown.    The problem with going to a strong surface after the oil carries down is that there is less head oil and the strong shelled ball is going to burn and try to turn early, thus leaving less energy for the down lane area where there is carrydown.  Best approach is still to square up and roll the ball with more forward roll and less side roll.  Don't fight the carrydown. Same principal as playing long patterns

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Re: oil carry down
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2016, 11:56:03 AM »
It's not as simple as 'squaring up'...
Fronts begin to 'hook' or the oil dissipates and the back ends appear to have oil or 'carry down'....so now the ball hooks early and sputters or pukes down lane...then the player moves in and the ball skids thru the new conditioner and the mids never seeing the break point...
Surface (proper ants) ALWAYS allows the bowling ball to traction or react to the lane thus minimizing the transitions...
Every time there's a bad ball reaction it's due to the cover surface not matching the lane surface or amt of conditioner
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Re: oil carry down
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2016, 12:26:19 PM »
when I see hang downlane and its not the ball burning up early, which I see as carrydown. its a tough thing to over come.
many times I have stayed with the same ball to long.
softer hand, get around it a bit more, move your feet, etc
I feel the best way for me on these sport conditions, is to ball up.
Its been a school of hard knocks to get to this conclusion, and even this method isn't always the answer

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Re: oil carry down
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2016, 12:00:40 AM »
Rico post explains why it isn't as simple as going to more surface.  The oil going off the heads is just as big an issue as the fact it goes down the lanes.  That is why I throw pearls on long oil and carrydown. 

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Re: oil carry down
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2016, 08:46:54 AM »
If the back ends are tight at the beginning translates to the lanes not being cleaned properly
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