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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: dR3w on April 14, 2015, 10:42:50 AM
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This isn't really as much of a question as it is an observation. I have an oil extractor,(Innovative, two ball). Anyway, I drilled a big hooking ball for a friend of mine in December. He has 42 games on the ball, plus pre-league warmup, so maybe 50 games. I put the ball in the extractor not expecting much, and it took over 4 hours to bleed out all the oil. That is the quickest oil soaking I have ever seen from a ball. I was amazed that in that short a period of time it soaked up that much oil. I know that he doesn't bowl in any other league, or practice at all, so the game count is spot on. I have some equipment that has over 100 games, that will barely raise a sweat in the extractor. I guess those dull hooking beasts get that way partly via oil absorbency. The house we bowl at uses "Ice" as well, which should limit the oil absorbency to the best of my knowledge. He also usually plays outside of the track, so he isn't really keeping it "in the oil" as much as some bowlers might ... if that matters.
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I'm going to take a guess here and say it's an Ebonite brands ball . . yes big hooking solids soak it up the quickest, but certain brands soak it up much faster than others.
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I'm going to take a guess here and say it's an Ebonite brands ball . . yes big hooking solids soak it up the quickest, but certain brands soak it up much faster than others.
I didn't list a brand, because I didn't want to disparage anyone. Its not really the point of the thread. But FYI, it was not any of the 4 ebonite brands. Definitely a solid though.
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Ok, I was more or less making the point because like I said, certain brands soak up oil faster than others. Solids will soak it up the quickest, but solids from some brands soak it up much more slowly than anything from other brands, so I find more connection between what brand the ball is than whether it's big hooking or not or what cover it has on it. Brand is the predominant factor by far.
I'm going to take a guess here and say it's an Ebonite brands ball . . yes big hooking solids soak it up the quickest, but certain brands soak it up much faster than others.
I didn't list a brand, because I didn't want to disparage anyone. Its not really the point of the thread. But FYI, it was not any of the 4 ebonite brands. Definitely a solid though.
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Do Motiv balls legit not soak up as much oil, or does the oil just not extract as well? I wonder what it is that causes less oil absorption; especially in balls with higher hook rating that rely on it for friction.
Regardless, it must be hard to engineer.
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Do Motiv balls legit not soak up as much oil, or does the oil just not extract as well? I wonder what it is that causes less oil absorption; especially in balls with higher hook rating that rely on it for friction.
Regardless, it must be hard to engineer.
I have a small sample size to go from, but I would say that the few Motiv balls that I have tried to extract oil from, have yielded little to no oil. But I have only tried 2 or 3.
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Do Motiv balls legit not soak up as much oil, or does the oil just not extract as well? I wonder what it is that causes less oil absorption; especially in balls with higher hook rating that rely on it for friction.
Regardless, it must be hard to engineer.
That's a good question as it could be that the oil just doesn't bleed out as easily as other brands. I have yet to get oil out of my Motiv stuff, even after more than 100 games and I have seen it disappearing from the cover while bowling. One minute the oil lines were there, then next they were gone without wiping, so either Motiv has figured out a way to make the lane oil evaporate into the air faster or it just doesn't come back out as easily.
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What temp did you set the oven on?
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What temp did you set the oven on?
I've had mine as high as 145 degrees for several hours. Still got nothing.
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What temp did you set the oven on?
I keep mine on 120
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Motiv balls just don't soak it up. Don't know why not, but they don't. You can tell they don't soak it up by their reaction, if they soaked it up but it just didn't come back out, you'd still have performance loss. I've gotten a tad out of a Revolt, and a decent amount out of a Sting, but both were a year old and had a few hundred games on them. 50 games on a Hammer ball and it will gush.
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I put The Sting (my only Motiv ball) in my Nu Ball unit at 125 degrees for 2 full hours. On the coverstock, I saw a faint spot of oil the size of your pinky tip. This was after 45 games on medium oil conditions. I wipe the Sting after each shot and clean the ball at the lanes after each series with Clean n Dull or Remedy. My limited experience with Motiv balls is in line with the rest of the posts.
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I have a two ball oven and keep my temp set at 125. One of the manufacturers say that this is the maximum temp you should use.
Stronger solids and unpolished balls seem to bleed more oil than weaker polished pearls. I have not noticed any significant difference based on brand, but do not have any Motive balls.
I have a NIB 14lb Sigma Sting on the way. I will update once I get a chance to try it out.
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CC, Motiv's warranty advises against exposing their bowling balls to temperatures beyond 125 degrees. When you get your Sting, you will probably receive a copy of the warranty. You can also find Motiv's warranty on the their website--"Company" then "Customer Service" on the short drop down.
Good luck with the Sting.
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This thread is interesting because I recently tried to extract oil from my Storm Special Agent and Roto Grip Theory. Both balls have approx. half a fall/winter league's worth of games plus countless games worth of open play on them and after 5 hours in the extractor at 140 degrees didn't yield a bit of oil out of either. I thought that was kind of strange, but maybe not.....
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This thread is interesting because I recently tried to extract oil from my Storm Special Agent and Roto Grip Theory. Both balls have approx. half a fall/winter league's worth of games plus countless games worth of open play on them and after 5 hours in the extractor at 140 degrees didn't yield a bit of oil out of either. I thought that was kind of strange, but maybe not.....
If the Theory was not well maintained, it should have given up a good deal of oil. I had one; it is an oil sucker.
What is your normal cleaning procedure?
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I clean it after every session with a ball cleaner sold by the local Best Bowling pro shops. Not sure if it's a name brand re-bottled for them, but all it says is "Best Bowling" Ball Cleaner, Extra Strength. Spray it on, let it set for about 30 seconds, then wipe it off. It seems to work pretty good. Usually after just a few cleanings the towels I use are pretty dirty. So it's definitely removing some oil and dirt.
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I clean it after every session with a ball cleaner sold by the local Best Bowling pro shops. Not sure if it's a name brand re-bottled for them, but all it says is "Best Bowling" Ball Cleaner, Extra Strength. Spray it on, let it set for about 30 seconds, then wipe it off. It seems to work pretty good. Usually after just a few cleanings the towels I use are pretty dirty. So it's definitely removing some oil and dirt.
Then I'd suspect that whatever that cleaner (together with your timeliness in cleaning the balls) is (are) quite effective in preventing the absorption of oil. I'm sure you must be doing immediately after bowling,not when you get home. Otherwise, the Theory would absorb the oil before you cleaned it.
So, if my assumptions are true, it's not the ball that is either not giving up the oil or not having absorbed it. It's your work which is preventing the ball from absorbing all the oil it can. Kudos to you. Your balls should last a long, long time.
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Not every ball will bleed out oil. Been surprised by some that I wouldn't think would absorb much, and had others I figured were sponges and got nothing.
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I clean it after every session with a ball cleaner sold by the local Best Bowling pro shops. Not sure if it's a name brand re-bottled for them, but all it says is "Best Bowling" Ball Cleaner, Extra Strength. Spray it on, let it set for about 30 seconds, then wipe it off. It seems to work pretty good. Usually after just a few cleanings the towels I use are pretty dirty. So it's definitely removing some oil and dirt.
Then I'd suspect that whatever that cleaner (together with your timeliness in cleaning the balls) is (are) quite effective in preventing the absorption of oil. I'm sure you must be doing immediately after bowling,not when you get home. Otherwise, the Theory would absorb the oil before you cleaned it.
So, if my assumptions are true, it's not the ball that is either not giving up the oil or not having absorbed it. It's your work which is preventing the ball from absorbing all the oil it can. Kudos to you. Your balls should last a long, long time.
Well, I do wait until I get home to clean them, but I do wipe them between every shot and again at the end of the night before putting it/them back in the bag.
Another thing that I've wondered about but don't know how much difference there is in the two, is the type of lanes I'm bowling on; wood vs synthetic. The house where I'm bowling winter league now has synthetic lanes. Prior to this and before I got either the Theory or Special Agent, I'd only bowled on wood lanes and it seems like the balls picked up more oil on the wood lanes. So I don't know if it's the type of oil used or the amount of oil used, but the balls definitely seemed oilier after bowling on wood lanes.
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Some centers have to put more oil out on wood to create any consistent and long lasting shot due to oil absorption and softer lane bed wood provides. (even worse if the heads are burned up) This may be why you are seeing more oil absorbed by the ball when on wood lanes compared to synthetics.
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Some centers have to put more oil out on wood to create any consistent and long lasting shot due to oil absorption and softer lane bed wood provides. (even worse if the heads are burned up) This may be why you are seeing more oil absorbed by the ball when on wood lanes compared to synthetics.
FWIW I agree. This could be the case.