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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: Impending Doom on July 11, 2012, 12:34:24 AM
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OK, for the last 4 weeks in the center where I bowl, the air conditioning has been busted. People sweating all over the place, swollen hands, people sticking from the heat.
My question is, how much does the temp in the center affect the pattern? We bowled on a 40 foot Kegel pattern last swing, where the temp outside was near 100 at the time we were bowling. Seemed like the oil moved MUCH faster and sooner than it usually did before on Middle Road.
Tonight, we started a 37 foot pattern, seemed similar to Viper. The oil also seemed to move very fast.
I know it's probably going to differ, depending on lane surface, and type of oil being used, and probably the oiler.
I can't wait to bowl in air conditioning again.
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Heat will help the oil disappear faster. Some of it is due to the extra friction caused by the heat, and some of it will simply evaporate. Most (if not all) of today's lane conditioners are water based.
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The first ingredient listed on my jug of lane conditioner is mineral oil so I'm not sure what you mean by water based though I do agree warmer conditions can make some conditioners and lane surfaces hookier.
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My understanding is that warmer conditions lower the viscosity, thus making it easier to move around.
I could be wrong but I don't think that oil "disappears"...or evaporates very much at all. I think that is an old school urban legend.
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Heat will help the oil disappear faster. Some of it is due to the extra friction caused by the heat, and some of it will simply evaporate. Most (if not all) of today's lane conditioners are water based.
That would explain my ball having water on it when it came back in the return... I saw the oil rings but I also felt water on the dang thing...
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I could definitely be wrong on the water based thing. One of the main mechanics at our center told me that a couple years ago. We have since changed to using Brunswick Logic lane conditioner and it says it's a Swedish Oil base.
I have seen other products that have been waaaaaay less durable on our lane surface (carry down and dry up faster) and perhaps some actually do have a water base. All I can say is check on your individual center's product specs.
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It messes with a person. When you don't expect the pattern to really change every 3 shots, then making the wrong adjustment (My fault, totally), plus it being so hot that you're sweating before you start bowling (Uncommon for me, totally) is totally wrong.
Pike, next week, if they don't have the air fixed, I'm stealing one of those big fans and putting it on our pair. No lie.
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Pike, next week, if they don't have the air fixed, I'm stealing one of those big fans and putting it on our pair. No lie.
Sounds good to me... Maybe they should put ice cubes in front of the hand fan on the ball return as well... That air was hot last night...
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My biggest problem with the heat was getting the ball off my hand clean.
Nothing worse than having a sweaty hand after the second frame in the first game, or you thumb has already swelled up like you have bowled 5 games.
That AC better be fixed next week. >:(
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You won't like sevenpin when he's angry!
My biggest problem with the heat was getting the ball off my hand clean.
Nothing worse than having a sweaty hand after the second frame in the first game, or you thumb has already swelled up like you have bowled 5 games.
That AC better be fixed next week. >:(
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I would refuse to bowl under those conditions. That is not what you pay for!!!!
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I thought the bowling center went cheap with the oil because it does change every 3 shots.. Is this what the pbas really deal with?
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In addition to heat/humidity and/or oil type, not all patterns are created equally:
There's a way to figure out pattern durability with a formula, that I believe was created by Joe Slowinski (but I can't find the article):
Pattern Volume / Pattern Length = Transition
In theory, the higher the transition number, the more durable the pattern.
IE:
Kegel Broadway: 23.32 / 37 = .63
Kegel Middle Road: 22.72 / 40 = .58
You would expect, all thing being equal (which they never are) that Middle Road should breakdown faster. Obviously this doesn't account for people using charcoal or plastic to blow-up a pattern. It also doesn't account for lane surface or for anything else. It's just a good starting point in thinking about how quickly things could possible change.
To the original poster - Did it seem like Middle Road broke down quicker than Broadway (which is probably the 37ft pattern you bowled on)? I'm curious.
I just bowled on Broadway for the first time this weekend and I think it held up quite well. I only had to ball down once after 3 games of the 7 games I bowled. Obviously, I'm lefty but I didn't see righties ball down that much either.
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Found the article:
http://bowlingknowledge.info/images/stories/slowinskijan12.pdf
Page 9:
.65 and higher = slower transition
.50 to .65 = medium transition
below .50 = fast transition
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By far the biggest enemy of lane conditioner is high friction bowling balls. Heat and humidity certainly don't help though.
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Well I bowl with DOOM in this league, and I am also a lefty.
It seemed to me that I did have to make more adjustments on the Middle of the Road pattern than this Broadway Pattern.
The Broadway pattern I only had to ball down one time for four games, all though it did happen at different times for each lane. But I have found the Middle of the Road pattern to be the easiest so far. The USBC pattern has been the hardest so far.
In addition to heat/humidity and/or oil type, not all patterns are created equally:
There's a way to figure out pattern durability with a formula, that I believe was created by Joe Slowinski (but I can't find the article):
Pattern Volume / Pattern Length = Transition
In theory, the higher the transition number, the more durable the pattern.
IE:
Kegel Broadway: 23.32 / 37 = .63
Kegel Middle Road: 22.72 / 40 = .58
You would expect, all thing being equal (which they never are) that Middle Road should breakdown faster. Obviously this doesn't account for people using charcoal or plastic to blow-up a pattern. It also doesn't account for lane surface or for anything else. It's just a good starting point in thinking about how quickly things could possible change.
To the original poster - Did it seem like Middle Road broke down quicker than Broadway (which is probably the 37ft pattern you bowled on)? I'm curious.
I just bowled on Broadway for the first time this weekend and I think it held up quite well. I only had to ball down once after 3 games of the 7 games I bowled. Obviously, I'm lefty but I didn't see righties ball down that much either.
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Yeah, I agree w/ya Sevenpin... It's been fun trying to figure these patterns out. It was still kinda hot in there, but I attribute that more to the humidity than their AC system. Luckily I haven't had issues with the thumb like you have.
Speaking of thumbs... err uh passifyers, LoL.. Wonder how Doom's getting along with it this week... Hee hee... :P
Well I bowl with DOOM in this league, and I am also a lefty.
It seemed to me that I did have to make more adjustments on the Middle of the Road pattern than this Broadway Pattern.
The Broadway pattern I only had to ball down one time for four games, all though it did happen at different times for each lane. But I have found the Middle of the Road pattern to be the easiest so far. The USBC pattern has been the hardest so far.
In addition to heat/humidity and/or oil type, not all patterns are created equally:
There's a way to figure out pattern durability with a formula, that I believe was created by Joe Slowinski (but I can't find the article):
Pattern Volume / Pattern Length = Transition
In theory, the higher the transition number, the more durable the pattern.
IE:
Kegel Broadway: 23.32 / 37 = .63
Kegel Middle Road: 22.72 / 40 = .58
You would expect, all thing being equal (which they never are) that Middle Road should breakdown faster. Obviously this doesn't account for people using charcoal or plastic to blow-up a pattern. It also doesn't account for lane surface or for anything else. It's just a good starting point in thinking about how quickly things could possible change.
To the original poster - Did it seem like Middle Road broke down quicker than Broadway (which is probably the 37ft pattern you bowled on)? I'm curious.
I just bowled on Broadway for the first time this weekend and I think it held up quite well. I only had to ball down once after 3 games of the 7 games I bowled. Obviously, I'm lefty but I didn't see righties ball down that much either.
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My guess it might have a calming effect. Wouldn't want some kind of explosion, that would be some gloom and DOOOOOOMMMMM!!!!! ;D
Yeah, I agree w/ya Sevenpin... It's been fun trying to figure these patterns out. It was still kinda hot in there, but I attribute that more to the humidity than their AC system. Luckily I haven't had issues with the thumb like you have.
Speaking of thumbs... err uh passifyers, LoL.. Wonder how Doom's getting along with it this week... Hee hee... :P
Well I bowl with DOOM in this league, and I am also a lefty.
It seemed to me that I did have to make more adjustments on the Middle of the Road pattern than this Broadway Pattern.
The Broadway pattern I only had to ball down one time for four games, all though it did happen at different times for each lane. But I have found the Middle of the Road pattern to be the easiest so far. The USBC pattern has been the hardest so far.
In addition to heat/humidity and/or oil type, not all patterns are created equally:
There's a way to figure out pattern durability with a formula, that I believe was created by Joe Slowinski (but I can't find the article):
Pattern Volume / Pattern Length = Transition
In theory, the higher the transition number, the more durable the pattern.
IE:
Kegel Broadway: 23.32 / 37 = .63
Kegel Middle Road: 22.72 / 40 = .58
You would expect, all thing being equal (which they never are) that Middle Road should breakdown faster. Obviously this doesn't account for people using charcoal or plastic to blow-up a pattern. It also doesn't account for lane surface or for anything else. It's just a good starting point in thinking about how quickly things could possible change.
To the original poster - Did it seem like Middle Road broke down quicker than Broadway (which is probably the 37ft pattern you bowled on)? I'm curious.
I just bowled on Broadway for the first time this weekend and I think it held up quite well. I only had to ball down once after 3 games of the 7 games I bowled. Obviously, I'm lefty but I didn't see righties ball down that much either.
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Hey, the pacifier is working wonders. I might even use it next week to soothe my poor shot making.
Sevenpin, I can't believe that you think that the usbc shot was the hardest. That shot was pretty good. But, once again, I CAN'T TELL BECAUSE THE FREAKING AIR WASN'T ON.
St Charles Bowl is Bull$#1+. I'm sorry I ever invited you guys to come there. We should have picked somewhere else.
Sigh. Stupid management.
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Fugedduh bout it... No worries, it ain't your fault. How could you know the AC was gonna fail & they'd take their sweet a double s time in fixing it...?
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AC wasn't working very well in our Summer PBA league last night. We were on the 44 foot shark pattern. Biggest thing I noticed was that the heads went all the way in to 4th arrow when the shot broke down, but the mids never opened up much. That can happen on long patterns, but I think the heat might have contributed.
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What were you guys finding worked better on that, avabob? Just curious.