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1MechEng

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3rd Core Debate: Symm. vs. Axisymm. Cores ...
« on: March 31, 2008, 12:25:22 AM »
There has been some good debate about the merits of core size, reaction at the pin deck, etc. recently, which got me thinking (painfully, btw):

Is it better to use a symmetric core or an asymmetric core for a bowler with little axis tilt (10 degrees, for example). Why?

Is it better to use a symmetric core or an asymmetric core for a bowler with little axis rotation (up the back) vs. bowler with lots of side roll? Why?

I'm curious to see people's perceptions on this subject.
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Edited on 3/31/2008 8:39 AM
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shelley

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Re: 3rd Core Debate: Symm. vs. Axisymm. Cores ...
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2008, 08:30:20 AM »
Don't you mean "asymmetric"?  Symmetric cores are axisymmetric.

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Re: 3rd Core Debate: Symm. vs. Axisymm. Cores ...
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2008, 08:39:44 AM »
Yes. I was hurrying, trying to post between meetings. I will correct this.
Thanks for catching the error!
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shelley

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Re: 3rd Core Debate: Symm. vs. Axisymm. Cores ...
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2008, 09:36:32 AM »
That said, I don't think there's necessarily a correlation between low axis rotation and matching up (or not) to asymmetric cores.  Similarly for tilt.  Most asymmetric-cored balls tend to give more length and backend than similar symmetric-cored balls (so far as there are "similar balls"), someone with a lot of tilt already has length and backend built into his release.  An asymmetric core might help if he really needs the kind of reaction that combining those two things would give.  Or it might hurt, if he needs a rollier, smoother ball motion.  The low tilt, low rotation guy might like that length and backend to generate more angle

Now, you'll get plenty of responses saying "well I've got lots of tilt and side rotation and my Asyminator 9000 works great" and just as many "I track high and have very low tilt, but I can't throw a symmetric ball and carry the 10-pin for nothin'".

The only thing I would say for sure is that layout can really make or break a strong asym.  The wrong layout or the right layout on the wrong condition can really make a big difference between a great ball and one that just doesn't react or carry like you want.

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Re: 3rd Core Debate: Symm. vs. Axisymm. Cores ...
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2008, 08:44:36 PM »
As spin times are faster on Assymets putting them in a strong position for flare never boded well for me.Too much early read and hit like a pillow as they had rolled out.  I tried two assymet solids drilled med-strong and didn't like either. I have drilled a few very weak but they had weak mb's anyways. Have stayed away from assymet since but not bowling for a while i will catch up on trying more in a year or two. Watched the cell video's on youtube. Some of what Hank said has merit but will wait to see how that core shape does with different coverstocks.
 Was always told for lower tilt players longer cores were better as they held it longer. I have both low tilt and axis rotation but am an oddity as i like lower SG equipment. For me its surface,surface, surface and where the ball flares due to drill pattern that gives me more looks for carry. High trackers tend to blend out most patterns and hook shape doesn't change terribly.

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Re: 3rd Core Debate: Symm. vs. Axisymm. Cores ...
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2008, 10:00:02 PM »
From what I've noticed in my own game it seems that low tilt and high MB ratings don't match.  High MB balls seem to want to stand up very quickly for me and give up what little tilt I have (12 degrees) much too early and roll out.  If I change my release and give the ball more tilt the high MB balls work ok, otherwise it's hook-set city.

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With that being said, the above applies to every high MB I've tried except the Cell.  The Cell acts like a asymmetrical ball at the breakpoint but doesn't seem to give up its tilt like a high MB ball would.  So really it's the best of both worlds.
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Re: 3rd Core Debate: Symm. vs. Axisymm. Cores ...
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2008, 03:15:18 AM »
Do not confuse "asymmetric" with "strong MB". Not every asymmetrical core has a strong or relevant mass bias that influences the ball reaction considerably. Some asymmetrical cores are pretty "weak" and just behave like symmetrical cores - best example is Ebonite's wacky Propeller core from the TPC series. This "thing" looks impressive, and you'd expect it to have a killer impact on the reaction. But in reality, its mass bias/rg asym. diff. is only 0.004", very mild.
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