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LuckyLefty

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Oilers, oiling experts, what is this Crap!
« on: September 11, 2004, 04:53:43 AM »
Vegatable oil, linseed oil, ear wax oil???

I bowl in a house that is just frankly hard on the left.

Another place where the difference is almost 30 pins between the high righty and lefty!

Talked to the manager and he claims the pattern is the same.

Watched the other day and saw some real good strong lefties(17 to 19 mph off the handusing pearls and barely getting any push down the lanes.)

On the right I noticed an old codger throwing about 13 off the hand throwing an ICON original(heavy particle oiler).  He had tons of push, hold area and could carry with a slight inside loop attack(very little hand).

I talked to the lefties and we all agreed, none of us could carry from inside on even the smallest of swings yet the oil pattern forced us there and though we could hit the pocket it was always weak and left flat 7s.

So we move outside get the dirt have great carry and have very little hold area and must throw with about as much speed as possible.

Actually I have started to beat this pattern with a fine grit Sonic Boom outside 9 with a pin up no kick out drilling.  Ball must be delivered with a lot of loft, speed and accuracy but now I am up to almost 3 boards of strike area.

Manager claims in a recent chart of lanes that pattern is same on both sides with a lot of oil from 12 to 12 and then very little outside on Brunswick Anvilane.  Shot is also supposedly in the 40 foot range.  I asked the manager is it steep, "ie is there avery low volume of oil after 20 feet?, Yes!".

Outside bowlers who come for a season and then leave.  (Most local 230 average lefties stop in average 204 to 207 for a season and are gone), say the oil is just cheap and degrades in no time.

I guess my question is what is this crap.  Why are righties with very little hand able to play and carry inside with all the push and hold area they want while lefties with much more hand and speed can move in and play similar lines and get no carry.  Thus are forced outside to play a non hold area shot to get carry.

What is the dynamics of what is going on here??  Expert oilers?.


REgards,

Luckylefty
PS same owners have several centers around including a wood center that has many of the same dynamics.  Very jumpy on left but must be played outside.  Righties can go in and carry with a lot of area and heavy partilcles.
PPS it almost appears as if there shot has a shorter oil pattern and more volume despite what charts of pattern say.
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LuckyLefty

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Re: Oilers, oiling experts, what is this Crap!
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2004, 07:14:07 PM »
Ours are moving hard.

However if we go inside it seems like our oil pattern is longer.

Therefore all the lefties who are doing OK are either Hyper speed and play the dirt.

Or like me have found lower flaring pearls that get us thru the dirt in the midlane.

Any other oilers, oil experts etc have an idea what this crap is?  I'm more of an expert on whip cream!

Could it be pam off the grill?

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS why can the weakest handed righties loop it again??
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Re: Oilers, oiling experts, what is this Crap!
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2004, 07:28:30 AM »
Well isn't this interesting.

After pointing out the disparity in averages and showing the manager two bowlers,
one on right with 5 boards of area and one on left with maybe two boards of area if he was lucky.  He indicated they would check the oiling machine.

Mysteriously they discovered the machine had a stripper problem.  Funny thing is the shot on the right looks the same all of a sudden on the left we've got backend so that we can move our ball and initial flight path into the oil now and get both carry and  backend from the inside.

I wondered how all those five rev righties could carry from the inside and I couldn't???

REgards,

Luckylefty
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Re: Oilers, oiling experts, what is this Crap!
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2004, 09:07:43 AM »

Amazing!  I've heard this story before...f-ed up shot and the house swears that nothing has changed, or the pattern is the same on both sides. Then, suddenly someone discovers the machine is not right!  Well, at least it's solved....


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Re: Oilers, oiling experts, what is this Crap!
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2004, 01:21:32 PM »
A little more detail on this problem and the correction.

Last night I was in there banging out 220 30 40 and 50s like I was good or something.

All of a sudden I've gone from having 1 1/2 boards at 45 feet to strike up to a normal league shot sort of thing of near 3 at the arrows and up to about 7 at the breakpoint.  Multiple balls work and my pin up balls are now too strong.

For both sides they've upped the backend.  However the righties who have been playing and stiking near the 2nd arrow are really po'd as they say it is dry.

They have not moved inside for two years! However now I can also do 2 and 1 moves and continue right on striking.

In talking to a part time oiler he said, "Oh yeah, all they did is replace the squeegee in the stripper"!

Which leads to several questions for our oilers and oiling experts.
1.  Do all oiling machines have "squeegees"?
2.  If not which brands do?
3.  Is there a seperate squeegee for each side of lanes?
4.  How often do they need to be changed?
5.  Do they get oil logged?
6   How expensive are they?
7.  How come there was a difference in the pattern where the area on the right has not changed at all, for the bigger handed medium speed righty it has been about 8 boards on right at break and it still is and on the left it was 1 board and now near 8.?

ONe comment.  Unless they put on the old squeegee they are all dead!

I'm used to 1 1/2 boards of area at 45 feet!

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS I think they were down to about 3 lefties in the house over 180 anyway nobody asked the questions!
PPS your answers appreciated.
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Re: Oilers, oiling experts, what is this Crap!
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2004, 01:41:19 PM »
LL, it seems to me that if "the pattern is the same on the left as it is on the right" the lefties would be at a disadvantage.  Given less play on the left won't the pattern hold up longer before the lefties burn a track to the hole?  Seems to me that, to be fair, the left side would have to be different than the right, to take into acount the variance in amount of play.  Yes?  No?  I may be wrong, but if I were a lefty I wouldn't want the same pattern as the right side has.  just musing...
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Re: Oilers, oiling experts, what is this Crap!
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2004, 02:27:28 PM »
quote:

Which leads to several questions for our oilers and oiling experts.
1.  Do all oiling machines have "squeegees"?
2.  If not which brands do?
3.  Is there a seperate squeegee for each side of lanes?
4.  How often do they need to be changed?
5.  Do they get oil logged?
6   How expensive are they?
7.  How come there was a difference in the pattern where the area on the right has not changed at all, for the bigger handed medium speed righty it has been about 8 boards on right at break and it still is and on the left it was 1 board and now near 8.?


Okay, I work out back at a local alley so I can answer a few of these questions.

1. No, the newer ones that are computerized and strip and oil at the same time do though.
2. Your newer ones like the Kegel Sanction Technology (Blue) and the Brunswick    Kustodian (Red)
3. No, I don't believe so.  We have a Kustodian and it has two squeegees that run the width of the lane.  Between those is where the oil/stripper is vacuumed up.
4. It varies with brands, but it is a part that would get changed almost yearly in a 30+ lane house.
5. The squeegees are a flexible silicone rubber material, they don't really absorb anything, but they do wear down.
6.  I'll check tonight while I'm bowling league on this answer and for question #4.
7.  It might be possible that the squeegee wasn't making good contact with the lane on the left side which would lead to a poor job of stripping the oil/cleaner mixture.  i.e. you didn't have squeaky clean backends on the left.
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Edited on 9/23/2004 2:34 PM

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Re: Oilers, oiling experts, what is this Crap!
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2004, 02:28:40 PM »
I"ve always found that the following is true on our left side.

If easy to start it stays easy, if hard it stays hard.

The pattern however in the past started hard for us and stayed and started easy on the right and morphed how it will.

Now it starts easy on the right AND easy on the left.  I'm up 30 to 40 pins from last year in practice at the same time night after night!

They are dead!

Now oilers.... Help with my questions please?!

REgards,

Luckylefty
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Re: Oilers, oiling experts, what is this Crap!
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2004, 03:18:04 PM »
I must have created my post while Jmac was creating his post.

Sorry great answers!

Thanks,

Luckylefty
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Re: Oilers, oiling experts, what is this Crap!
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2004, 03:50:21 PM »
We'll get this figured out eventually...  Sent LL a PM and will be giving him an update a little later.
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Re: Oilers, oiling experts, what is this Crap!
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2004, 11:16:37 PM »
The answer to question number 6 is about $320 for a pair of squeegee blades.  At least for a Brunswick Kustodian.  I forgot to check how frequently they are supposed to be changed though.  Doh!
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Re: Oilers, oiling experts, what is this Crap!
« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2004, 02:39:46 PM »
These new high-tech lane machines aren't good for the game in my opinion.

1. You don't know when the machine is out of adjustment, until it's too late.
2. They need way too much maintanence.
3. They're not capable of putting enough oil on the lane to combat the new balls.
4. You could put down way more oil in the heads (where it's needed), with a squirt bottle.
5. When using a squirt bottle and lambs wool, you know exactly where the oil is being applied.

Lane machines can be good, if they simplify the working mechanisms and how the oil gets transferred to the lane as it runs throught the machine. =:^D

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Re: Oilers, oiling experts, what is this Crap!
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2004, 03:46:40 PM »
give me a pump-up bug sprayer, and a line-a-duster anytime. I hate machines.
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Re: Oilers, oiling experts, what is this Crap!
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2004, 04:02:44 PM »
quote:
give me a pump-up bug sprayer, and a line-a-duster anytime. I hate machines.


Hudsons rock!  

For some reason, this reminded me of an old trick that we used back in the early 80s to make the shot hold up better on hot days.  Two parts lane oil, one part Wesson oil.
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Re: Oilers, oiling experts, what is this Crap!
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2004, 05:07:08 PM »
It doesn't matter what a bowling center does...  there are always going to be old farts that want to see it done one way, and young whipper-snappers such as myself that feel a properly maintained machine is better any day of the week.

The pins could be made of diamonds and rubies, the lanes 24k gold, approaches drawn from the finest silver, but you'd still hear bowlers b!tching and moaning.

What's done is done.  If you don't like the way it's done, do business elsewhere, right?
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