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302efi

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Old balls and new oil...you lie !
« on: March 31, 2011, 12:51:04 AM »
  I see on here a lot of people say that older balls won't work or hook todays oil, but then I see companies reusing the same covers from years ago that supposedly won't hook anymore ?

For instance, Brunswick is still using PK18 on the Damage (and others) and look at the motion they create even on this "new oil" !?

Same thing with storm and Reactor & R2 covers. They are still using them even on todays supposedly slicker oil, and they move just like they did 4-5 years ago ?

Where are people coming from with these comments ?

I was getting back into bowling after a break and I was reading on here first before I even tried my old stuff again and it had me thinking I was going to need new gear again. After hitting the center a few times with my so-called outdated balls, they work just as good as they did when I bought them years ago !

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Re: Old balls and new oil...you lie !
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2011, 09:00:26 AM »
Higher volume sport pattens, namely ones with good length is where you'll see the difference.  Not as much on a THS with bump outside.  A THS that is dry outside 10 can really make multiple types of balls look similar.


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Re: Old balls and new oil...you lie !
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2011, 09:01:04 AM »
You're right, I'm still using balls (storm) from five and six years ago and they are fine. A friend is still using inferno's and fury's......

 

And not to long ago, I was using the Track Slash for a while before I gave it to my friend who started bowling.

 

A lot of the times it depends on the style of bowler (cranker vs. stroker), the surface people are bowling on, or just how bowlers keep up with their ball cleaning.

 

Finally, some times when a ball sits for a long time, it wakes up again. Just in the case of my V2 Solid. It was on its way to the "ball death" effect, but after two years of sitting, it was alive again. Too bad it cracked....

 

 


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Re: Old balls and new oil...you lie !
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2011, 09:06:28 AM »
I keep hearing about oil and people using the biggest hooking equipment that comes out where they bowl but I haven't seen it. League shot starts out medium and breaks down fast. Bowled a few tournaments recently that started off kinda heavy, but that lasted one game in one house and almost 6 frames of one game in the second.

 

I have had a lot of success with a Power Groove this season.( PK17) Most of the newer equipment is good for almost two games before the lanes have broken down too much. I have a Track Synergy ETS I drilled to start the season and a Ebonite Seawolf I drilled a year ago that roll great on todays conditions. Some where there may be a lot of oil but I haven't seen that problem in a while.


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Re: Old balls and new oil...you lie !
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2011, 09:42:06 AM »
I still use my Brunswick Forest Green Quantum sometimes.


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Re: Old balls and new oil...you lie !
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2011, 09:49:53 AM »
People make blanket statements all the time.  They only see how the new balls work for them.  Bowlers that leaned towards a more rev dominant style and/or lower axis tilt should generally be able to use weaker equipment regardless of condition if they match themselves up correct physically to the lane condition.
 


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Re: Old balls and new oil...you lie !
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2011, 10:30:16 AM »
depend on what you consider older balls?  to me, 5-6yrs ago isn't that old of technology where you will see a really big significance.  To me, older balls means the old urethane and first reactive stuff...aka- the rhino pro's, Xcaliburs and stuff like that.  And some will have a nice bump from the outside because of the friction outside of ten, but most wont, unless the lanes are toast.  Every now and than I do throw a Blue Beast or an old Roto Grip Outlaw, that is of course when there is alot of friction out there.

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Re: Old balls and new oil...you lie !
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2011, 01:11:58 PM »
My Radical Inferno that has been beat to hell and chewed up by a few ball returns helped me a roll a 250 about a month ago.  It's hooking more now than I ever remember.  I'm definitely enjoying the looks I get when people look at how beat up the ball is and then look at my score...ha!  :)


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Re: Old balls and new oil...you lie !
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2011, 01:57:43 PM »

 who still uses the inferno and furys?
xrayjay wrote on 3/31/2011 9:01 AM:
You're right, I'm still using balls (storm) from five and six years ago and they are fine. A friend is still using inferno's and fury's......

 



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Re: Old balls and new oil...you lie !
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2011, 05:59:34 PM »
I am a cranker and I have to agree with the volume of oil is different than before... 

 

Also it depends on your house because some houses backends are cleaner than others..  In my house if you are using that old stuff it would be harder to keep up with the newer performance balls..  But also like was stated it depends on your style of bowling..

 

 


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Re: Old balls and new oil...you lie !
« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2011, 12:44:03 AM »
One thing that wasn't mentioned is how people are drilling their stuff, what layouts they are using either on the older stuff or the newer stuff. I have a storm flame urethane from like 15 years ago and it hooks quite a bit on a pretty dry house shot. I also have an old storm original hot rod and it will hook just as much as the newer stuff on a ths and a few sport patterns. It doesn't help though that a lot of people are uneducated about bowling in general, what balls to buy, what oil to use them on, how to have them drilled along with the right surface prep. 

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Re: Old balls and new oil...you lie !
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2011, 08:00:19 AM »
For the most part I feel the statement is true that new covers will work better on today's oil.the key word being OIL. I never see a true heavy oil pattern in league nor have I seen med-heavy conditions in league for years.

 

 


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Re: Old balls and new oil...you lie !
« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2011, 08:35:14 AM »
So, what I gatheer from many of the comments here, is that we are caught in a cycle between ball manufacturers, oil manufacturers, and our own greed and stupidity.

 

 Ball makers continually come out with more and more aggressive balls. To combat this, oil manufacturers continually come out with newer and slicker oils. Lanemen, in order to create reaction patterns, have to continually adjust the volume of oil applied to the lane.

 

 Then, because the balls are now little more than sponges, and lanes are so thickly coated in oil, that we have balls that start losing their reaction after only 5-10 games that cost 5 times what they used to, needing to be replaced twice or more in a single season.

 

 This is a good thing?
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Re: Old balls and new oil...you lie !
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2011, 08:58:20 AM »
"So, what I gather from many of the comments here,  is that we are caught in a cycle between ball manufacturers, oil  manufacturers, and our own greed and stupidity."
 
Ain't that the truth!  A better statement hasn't been made on this forum in weeks. 


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Re: Old balls and new oil...you lie !
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2011, 01:18:30 PM »
There was this guy last week shot a 800 with a Track Champ. Same cover like the Columbia Choas, the TEC which everyone threw away because of "TEC ball death". He didn't even know what ball he had. Then this week he comes back down to reality and shoots 500 if even that.


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